The dispute resolution thread

[tony starks]

Glad Parris and Richy sorted it out, bad timing I guess

[ginodifagna]

....
I'll send him yet another email.....

he replied ?

[marvetto]

....
I'll send him yet another email.....

he replied ?

don't think so.....

[SuperPang]

I'm afraid not

[marvetto]

I'm afraid not

what I really don't understand is what he wants to do with mario's parts becuase if this would be a problem of money
Mario would be ready to pay for the shipping...and close the metter...

[Rossyra]

I don't think posts should be getting deleted in a public dispute resolution thread, otherwise why bother with this thread at all?

What can be put in here that can't be dealt with in private?

Makes this thread worthless IMO.

[Devil Soundwave]

I agree with Rossy.

Whilst I'm at it, I'd just like to point out that I think you are all a bunch of Cynthia, and I hate every single one of you.



xx

[pubjoe]

I don't think posts should be getting deleted

I agree

This thread is for people to:
A: Argue until they reach an agreement.
B: Link to for an explanation of negative feedback.

The deleted posts consisted of a misunderstanding that blew up into an embarrassing and personal 2am moment of madness. Both parties had separate reasons for misdirecting frustrations on eachother, and one or two rash PMs to eachother spiralled out of control.

Since then, they both sorted it out, retracted negative feedback and asked that the posts be deleted.

Once the negative had been retracted, the posts served little purpose. But more importantly than anything else, the post authors requested removal.

Going round deleting threads is obviously a bad thing. But I think complying to an author's request that their posts be deleted is a good thing and an important exception. Any forum would need bloody good reason not to respect a member's own wishes - and as both people involved here are very good standing respected members, there is definitely no good reason to deny their request. Refusing someone's dignity on grounds of 'we own your posts now' is just wrong in my opinion.

Maybe a better explanation should have been left for the sake of other people's curiosity. I hope this helps.

[Devil Soundwave]

Good explanation from public joseph.

[Rossyra]

It serves more than just satisfaction of curiosity, it's some good insight into the trading practices of both the buyers and sellers in the disputes.

I would have thought that's another very useful purpose whether it's intended or not.

It's all very well acting badly or out of character towards someone then asking to take it back after the fact. Well, it still happened whether or not it's regretted afterwards.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be forgiven or accepted as such, but neither should it be forgotten or erased. We learn from our mistakes.

It's the closest the board has got to any sort of consequence of a poor or bad trade that's not as severe as an outright ban, and could be more informative than just the feedback alone.

[pubjoe]

I'm sorry but I disagree.

At the end of the day they could have edited their posts themselves and then I could have cleaned up a load of "......" afterwards. What's the difference?

I know where you're coming from about integrity of history but this is more of an issue about forums and the internet in general. Currently, members can edit their own content - should that change? That's a huge topic.

[Rossyra]

So every dispute posted in here is just gonna be deleted?

[cools]

No.

The deleted stuff wasn't a dispute, it was a massively offensive slanging match that would've permanently tarred those who posted it - and broke the basic rules in place. pubjoe clearing it up was the right thing to do.

[richy13]

I really think that something should be writen into the sales rules here If you have something going on in your life that could stop you sending items out on time or cut you from being able to responed to emails/pms That you shouldnt sell items here as it just starts trouble.

becasue some members on here are very happy to take your money & thats it then its a long hard drawn out process to get the items which you have paid for in the first place which can be pretty stressfull.

if somebody as time to write up a full sales post & take payments for such items i see No reason for such delays in the first place yes things happen from times to time but come on it doesnt take weeks to send things out does it & Not to keep the buyer informed is even worse good communication is the main key to been good seller which i find is pretty bad round here at times slagging matches go No where & just starts anger.

richard

[SuperPang]

Nothing has been deleted Re ginodifagna VS myuniversallove and it won't be.

We will only prune off topic posts from uninvolved members or slanging matches that both parties regret and request to be removed. Obviously that won't apply to any serious incident but in this case it simply got a bit out of hand.

And we have had a 1 week shipping rule in place for a few months now.

[Neo Gold]

No.

The deleted stuff wasn't a dispute, it was a massively offensive slanging match that would've permanently tarred those who posted it - and broke the basic rules in place. pubjoe clearing it up was the right thing to do.

As Ralph once said "That's very disappointing behaviour from a long standing member of our community"...i was completely shocked myself & could not beleive what was said..

[purplec]

But it does seem that posts are being deleted a lot lately. Why not leave the post and say edited by admin for being off topic or breaching the rules.

I honestly think everything should be left in this thread warts and all, it would help reassure people.

I was lucky I didn't lose out with myuniversallove I was gonna do a deal with him for some stuff but changed my mind as I didn't known him. Later I had thought "sure he's a mod" I was lucky.

My 2 cents

[SuperPang]

But it does seem that posts are being deleted a lot lately.

Are you referring to anything specific because there's hardly anything in the recycling bin. Posts are generally only deleted if they break the rules.

[Parris]

Okay, so Richy13 and I had a late night slagging match born of fatigue, bad timing and exasperation. To put it into perspective it was conducted between about 1 and 3am the night after Elliot was born. It wasn't even really a trade dispute at all. Richy13 bought the item and paid for it. I hadn't posted it the day I said I would (because Martine was in labour). Item has been posted and the situation resolved. We asked for the posts to be deleted as they really served no purpose.

We both agreed we were tired and irritable and on any other day neither of us would have reacted the way we did or posted the somewhat banal posts we did. We ended up laughing it all off, primarily because we both realised what jerks we were being.

It lasted about 2 hours and we didn't actually need the dispute thread to show us how silly we were being. It dawned on us both.

Done and dusted.

I get what Ross means, because sometimes it serves a purpose to see what happened, but I strongly believe that in this instance it was completely out of character and in the end both of us laughed it off, shook (virtual) hands and cooled down. If the posts remained in place it might have only caused further dispute where none really existed.

[chubsta]

There can be a case i think for such posts being retained, and this is because who wants to get into a situation with someone who flies off the handle, even if they later regret it. Its all very well saying sorry, stress blah blah blah, but personally i wouldnt want to deal with that person in the first place.

I have been very lucky on this, and other forums in that i have not had a bad trading experience, but i do tend to only go with those people who have a pretty much unblemished record, and it is only through people being honest, and through posts being retained that you can often see what someone is really like. Also, and in a more positive way, you can also see that people have been able to resolve things when they go wrong, and they occaisionally do through no real fault of either party, more through misunderstandings.

There seems to be a situation on Jamma+ where someone who seemed 100% is now ripping members off, and people have started to come out of the woodwork and say they knew he was a bit dodgy - no good to the guy who got ripped.