Grrr eBay...

[Checen Rebel]

You cannot achieve Ebays huge buying pull with car boots and selective forums you are just **** in the wind. In my view thats worth paying a price for and you just cant argue with market value its foolish to do so.

Depends what is more important to a person - to you it's obviously money.

I like an easy life.

if I can sell something for £100 in real life (or on a forum to people I've spoken to before) without the hassle of ebay and with no fee's
or
sell something on ebay for £135 (minus ebays share ~£10?).

I'm gonna take the former every time. "buying pull" and "market value" holds no interest for me (sounds a bit like something a 1980's yuppied would tell me ;> ). I'd rather sell for less and not have to deal with ebay idiots - chances are I got "it" cheap anyway (not buying on ebay in the first place means cheaper prices for 99% of items) so I'm not missing anything.

[Miller]

Good luck in changing the world then

[Flazh]

If its something like Books, DVDs or CDs, you can't say fairer than Amazon. Sellers are all about undercutting each other, no listing fees, decent commission fees.

I only wish that they would expand into foreign imports and the like. Doubt they will be selling PCBs any time soon though.

[HAWKXP]

Seems alright as a buyer but I don't think I'll ever bother selling on there again.

agreed evil ................... its not much fun at all selling stuff, especially when you have to pay ebay fees of £50 like i did last week.

then paypal have ya, then there's the chance to get scammed.

i just wanna get them boards sold and im outa there.

[Lordstar]

I have a woman right now trying to hold me ransom over an incorrect item sent out. I sent out an incorrect size item (waist was out by two inches she claims) and she has emailed me back tell me how "distraught" and "deeply upset" (her words not mine) she is with the service I have offred to replace the item and give her another one for free + the postage for sending them back if she returns the wrong item. so she replys with


NO! actualy im keeping the pants and i want you to send out the right pants and the free one and I want a full refund. Further more the pants you have sent me the stiching is coming away and are completley not as described If you do not meet my conditions I will leave negative3 feedback and take it to paypal where i will win and get my cash back.

Seriosuley how do you even reply to that? So I just politley said with all due respect i have no way of telling if the item is the wrong size or faulty please send them back i will refund you the postage for that and send out the correct item and another one free.

all this over a £6 pair of pants (thats including the P&P)

SILLY BITCH GET OFF EBAY AND GO DO SOME THING IN THE KITCHEN OR KNIT ME A **** SWEATER!!!!!1111!!1!

[markedkiller78]

I have a woman right now trying to hold me ransom over an incorrect item sent out. I sent out an incorrect size item (waist was out by two inches she claims) and she has emailed me back tell me how "distraught" and "deeply upset" (her words not mine) she is with the service I have offred to replace the item and give her another one for free + the postage for sending them back if she returns the wrong item. so she replys with


NO! actualy im keeping the pants and i want you to send out the right pants and the free one and I want a full refund. Further more the pants you have sent me the stiching is coming away and are completley not as described If you do not meet my conditions I will leave negative3 feedback and take it to paypal where i will win and get my cash back.

Seriosuley how do you even reply to that? So I just politley said with all due respect i have no way of telling if the item is the wrong size or faulty please send them back i will refund you the postage for that and send out the correct item and another one free.

all this over a £6 pair of pants (thats including the P&P)

SILLY BITCH GET OFF EBAY AND GO DO SOME THING IN THE KITCHEN OR KNIT ME A **** SWEATER!!!!!1111!!1!

That’s exactly why I hate that **** so much. Tell her fat **** to **** off & die.

I agree completely with Checen Rebel, in that an easy sale with a good buyer is far better than a few extra £££.

I can understand if it was someones business, as the object of business is to maximise profit (mostly) but as a hobby I’m more interested in passing things on at a fair price, to both parties, than making as much money as possible.

There are some total dickheads out there, not just on ebay, but at least on a forum you can generally see them coming from a mile off. I’m not going to start ranting about why I hate ebay, but it has nothing to do with their cut, the sale price or any of the rip off paypal transactions. It’s all to do with **** face public.

I’ve noticed that SuperPang trys to flog his gear on sales forums, then uses ebay as a last resort. I always try to do the same, but for my hatred of ebay I often just stick the stuff back in the cupboard.

Only a little rant this time

[Lordstar]

no im quite prepeared to sit on a sale for a month or two before i resort to ebay. I usually dont want to get rid of my boards that bad.

For me if someone sends me a wrong or dammaged item I will politley tell them and wait for a reply 95% of the time its an honest mistake and they offer some sort of refund or send out another. I really do think **** faced buyers like this bitch here are going to be Ebays undoing and bending over backwards for these people will do nothing for the company and the way items are sold. Bring on google bid I say!

[HAWKXP]

the one thing iv learnt about ebay is this ............... somethings do go for stupid prices but then again some things sell to cheaply, example, im currently selling 4 of my Lladros and there worth like £100 each or around, now i upped 2 of them at £15 and the other 2 at £20 & £35 as they was worth more, now the 2 that was at £15 got watchers and bids, the 2 that was higher got no watchers, so i put the prices down on the 2, then i got watcher .............. to me people shouldn't be collecting that kind of stuff if they penny pinch, i mean 1 of the Lladros was worth £98 retail and i was selling it for £35 WTF and they still penny pinch, i put the item down to £15 as i need to shift it fast as im doing decorating here, and all of a sudden 3 watchers in like half a day.

then we come to my boards, some of my boards have sold for peanuts, iv lost so much money its unreal, i fire them on ebay and price them up to what there worth second hand and get no where, drop my prices and they sell, tekken 3 went for like £15 i think ............ its been heart breaking, but i needed them shifted.

i cant be doing with ebay at all, then youv got you listing fees and then you selling fees at the end of your auction, then your paypal fees, between them both they can suck quite abit of money out of you for doing fudge all, the best part i like is this , they claim if your item doesn't sell you can re list it and not be charged, iv been charged every time.

then lets just say i list an item at £20, im charged at the amount im trying to sell my item for, now if i revise my listing after a few days and decide to lower the price they dont refund me, they suck it out of you, but they don't give it back.

[chubsta]

But, and heres the thing, as a buyer its great - i get masses of stuff far cheaper than i ever would in the shops and because i always check the sellers feedback/sales history etc i have never had any problems.

And if i was a pain-in-the-**** buyer then i would be able to blackmail the sellers with negative feedback, be totally unreasonable about delivery charges and times, and then if i really wanted to be nasty would claim a paypal chargeback which would always be granted (i havent done these things by the way....), all without the problem of negative feedback... which is why buyers like the bitch that lordstar has love the place!!

Lordstar, i would say just take the neg and respond factaully stating how much she expected to get from you. As a buyer i can spot unfair feedback a mile off and it never puts me off buying from someone...

[HAWKXP]

I have a woman right now trying to hold me ransom over an incorrect item sent out. I sent out an incorrect size item (waist was out by two inches she claims) and she has emailed me back tell me how "distraught" and "deeply upset" (her words not mine) she is with the service I have offred to replace the item and give her another one for free + the postage for sending them back if she returns the wrong item. so she replys with


NO! actualy im keeping the pants and i want you to send out the right pants and the free one and I want a full refund. Further more the pants you have sent me the stiching is coming away and are completley not as described If you do not meet my conditions I will leave negative3 feedback and take it to paypal where i will win and get my cash back.

Seriosuley how do you even reply to that? So I just politley said with all due respect i have no way of telling if the item is the wrong size or faulty please send them back i will refund you the postage for that and send out the correct item and another one free.

all this over a £6 pair of pants (thats including the P&P)

SILLY BITCH GET OFF EBAY AND GO DO SOME THING IN THE KITCHEN OR KNIT ME A **** SWEATER!!!!!1111!!1!

funk her off mate, you dont need to take that, get the negative feedback from her ! shes trying it on !

folk would just look at your feedback anyway and see its all good barin the 1, iv delt with loads of folk with negatives and iv never been messed about yet, what it is .............. theres just some folk out there that want things but dont wanna pay.

scrotums

[skykid]

Forums with sales sections.

Win.

[maxchainsplendid]

This thread is awesome, lol - I've consistently listed stuff once every 2-3 weeks forever now. Normally, the stuff I list is either high $ or stuff I could care less about, but it's time to call it quits dudes

I just listed what I would like to believe is my last auction on that **** last week - the fees are so high now after paypal/final value/blah blah, and the new "maximum shipping cost" bs, on my last invoice, there was an item that ebay & pp took 30% all said and done, lol

It's funny too because I was going over some prices for stuff w/a buddy, as to what I should sell them for on the forums, and he's like "Well, you'll get more on ebay...." Not really...

Besides, even if I do get a couple extra bucks in the end on ebay, screw that! I'd rather sell it for cheaper in the 1st place, than donate funds to AOL, I mean ebay. That may not apply to everyone, but it sure does me.

Ah, you never know though, I'm no advocate... maybe I'll end up throwing something on there again, but w/all possible means to try & close the deal outside of ebay before the listing ends, then end it early if I cant. I'll take the 15 cents hit, lol.

This forum's really become epic win btw :] Need to add some stuff to the library.....

P.S. Matt, do you have an ebay shop or something?

[pubjoe]

Great thread this! I've just got round to reading it.

I'm currently barred from paypal, all over an ebay sale I unwittingly made to some fraudster, which is a massive hassel when people want paying through the tossers. I allways get **** off about this when I think about it, so it's about time I had a little rant...

I sold a graphics card about 3 years ago (an overclocked 6800GT with a zalman cooler I had attached) and bidding ended at about £200. It was won by someone in Spain (I think), so I charged him a total of about £230 including registered airmail, posted it off and kept the shipping receipt.

Three whole Months later(!), I got a ridiculously long-winded, pseudo-legal email about paypal/credit card fraud which I first thought was spam, but I logged into my paypal account to check just in-case. My balance had gone from +£140 positive to -£90 negative!! After re-reading the hugely bloated obnoxious email (that seemed to be accusing me of something!), I eventually figured out that someone had bought my graphics card with either a stolen credit card or a stolen paypal account (or both).

The email included a paypal phone number (that took me through to a human being!), so I phoned it and asked WTF was going on. I was asked if I had evidence of delivery, which I did, so they told me "Sorry about this, don't worry about a thing, the funds are just on hold while we investigate. Just fax a copy of your postal receipt over to us and this will all be sorted out soon". So I go through the hassle of finding a fax machine (in this day and age ) and I pay one bloody pound to send it from a shop's fax.

A Month and a half later ..I get another obnoxious bloated email from paypal (that I don't understand for a while) saying that the investigation has been ruled against me (???) blah blah blah. So I contacted the paypal account holder in question and he said "sorry about that, I had my paypal details stolen, it's been a massive inconvenience, but my credit card insurance company have now retrieved stolen funds for me". I tried that phone number that paypal emailed me and it didn't work anymore. When I emailed paypal about the situation, I just got a standard "our security means a lot to us" auto-reply.

So in the end I'm £230 down because some stupid toss-pot compromised his paypal details (probably by replying to some fishy V1agra/PR0N/P3NIS X-tnder email) and HE GETS HIS MONEY BACK. In my experience, if I lose something, I'm the one who's out of pocket. ...Not so for mr-****-little-dick!

Anyway, i refuse to pay the £90 negative balance for as long as I can, but by the time I get the final "bailiffs are on their way" letter from paypal, i just think **** it, and pay them the £90 + interest. Only, by now they have suspended my account due to "extensive late payment of debt" and I can't re-open another one.

I used to leave a balance in paypal, because I stupidly presumed it was "my money" and treated it like a bank account. I can't believe they dipped in and took my money to pay the guy's credit card insurance company. If someone steals money and buys a pack of fags from tescos, tesco's don't have their money seized from them.

Arrrgh! The filthy buggers!

PS: If anyone has got any advice on how I could get a paypal account back, please tell me. Trying to argue my case with them has got me nowhere.

[pubjoe]

More on topic...

I don't know how recently it changed, but ebay seems to be a lot less transparent than it used to be. One of the good things about it in the past was that you could investigate into a seller. You could search for a username, you could check their past usernames and you could easily click "view completed listings" on a sellers page. These sort of options now seem to be limited to one a day or they are hidden behind 3 or 4 layers. I don't really understand why. Why shouldn't you be able to easily check out a person's ebay history, before you deal with them?

...Oh and these "Nigerian businessmen" who click on buy-it-nows and waste listing fees ...I'm positive that they're employed or at least encouraged by ebay themselves ...Whenever it used to happen to me, the charge back claim thing would allways fail. Do they have any sort of deterrent in place against these spammers?

[poolchamp]

Im having the same **** with ebay and paypiss myself pubjoe ,I sold a couple of bobble bobbles
one to aus and one to new zealand ,
Because i listed them as like new as they were for 16 year old game s ,both worked perfect before and after but one complaned it not new ,like i said to him wtf and said he was getting his mony back for paypal and not sending the game back sent all the emails to paypiss only thing they did was take money out of my card,
Second one said this game not jamma so it cant be like new then i started banging my head of a wall but he did say game looks very clean but game is no use to him so i agreed to send him off a jamma disk wired to 22 pin connector all fine till paypiss took that money out aswell and have no contact with any of them now including paypiss so now wont take paypal or use ebay but still pay things with paypal

[pubjoe]

Do they have any sort of deterrent in place against these spammers?

yep. you can select when you list that if someone clicks buy-it-now, they have to pay for it then and there (or buying it now, ). if they don't, they haven't bought it.

i actually use ebay a lot, and yes it is hassle - but i think that's just dealing with people in general. and ebay has a lot of people. i wouldn't kid myself into thinking that by only doing deals on forums, i would never scammed. if anything, it's far more likely as you have no real protection

out of 300-400 transaction, i've only had two **** to deal with. so those odds aren't bad. just gotta keep yourself awares

Thanks. I wasn't aware of that.

I've still been put off selling on there though. What was annoying about the situation above was that I thought I had made a nice no hassle sale and it was Months later that all that crap happened.

I've got a load of stuff decreasing in value that I've been meaning to list for ages but I've been put off it so much, I can never be bothered to go near it (and I'd have to borrow someone's paypal account to do it with too).

The worst thing about it was the way I was treated by ebay/paypal.

P.S. jpj, I'm glad you replied to me. I was beginning to worry that I was the mystery man on your ignore list after I sorta kinda got a little bit childish on the bootleg thread.

poolchamp, sorry for your troubles, they're all a bunch of gobshites!

[pubjoe]

I bought something on the 30th and paid for it instantly via paypal, it said '48 hour parcelforce delivery' its now nearly the 6th and I didn't even get a reply to my message saying I'd paid, so now I am just crossing my fingers hoping the item will eventually turn up. I'm going to message him via ebay on wednesday or so, then if it takes even longer I'll do a request of contact details and try phoning him, if not that, then the dreaded paypal dispute *groan*

I'm sure I'm overreacting, he seems to be getting feedback off other people for stuff they've bought recently and he's sent out. A little bit of communication wouldn't hurt though.

He's probably (hopefully) just a lazy ****. I used to put "next day delivery" on my listings (back in the day) until I realised I'm far too unreliable to make that promise! Takes the **** when you pay extra for a fast delivery though and that has happened to me with a lot of online companies.

[cools]

I'm finding eBay very useful for buying little bits and bobs cheaply from stores. Normal online shops tend to charge too much for postage, and you only find out after registering with them and going through checkout. With eBay at least I can see the price up front. For private sellers it's a waste of time nowadays, but for buyers/retail stores it's not too bad at all.

[Bigsasquatch]

worst thing was it led me to Arcadegod before I realised fully who I was dealing with....

BIG S

[Pete]

I recently made a heavy purchase from ebay via PP (all went ok) but it would only let me use my CC.