CAVE CV1000 Bootlegs

[SuperPang]

Ah, good old forum drama. I remember the days when I had the energy to bicker on the internet.

[jimmerd]

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[Pete]

Just when you think this hobby has died a death something interesting comes along.

[pubjoe]

Re-opened

That's good. I was quietly following the thread after a friend pointed me to it. Bought a (revD) boot in anticipation.

[wigsplitta]

Interesting times ahead it looks like.

[SuperPang]

I'm glad this is progressing after boots became available. Would've been real messy if people could only convert originals.

[Ddshot]

Super interesting,there’s always gonna be some kind of suppression because cave games went from cool pick ups to financial investments!theres gonna be a lot of **** cave pcb owners over the multi!crazy it’s probably been available for years but you got to be in a secret club for access!meh who cares yeah cave is cool,but there’s a lot better arcade games out there and some real rare shizz!saying that I defo up for a multi

[arcnl]

$/€/£ 1k bootlegs are still wild to me. It's a nice read but at current prices i'm not buying. Wondering how much these cost to produce, i really have no clue.

[aerobert]

I think rewrite wrote 200 usd in parts for their thing.

I'm pulling 300-400 usd out of my ****, per bootleg.

[geotrig]

Super interesting,there’s always gonna be some kind of suppression because cave games went from cool pick ups to financial investments!theres gonna be a lot of **** cave pcb owners over the multi!crazy it’s probably been available for years but you got to be in a secret club for access!meh who cares yeah cave is cool,but there’s a lot better arcade games out there and some real rare shizz!saying that I defo up for a multi

I'm sure some are apprehensive on the direction but the reality is if you are into collecting kits etc this is not a deterrent and people always want an original , sure it will kill some sales competition and demand but that was going to happen eventually anyway and i think currency fluctations/ correction could have as much an impact ,also while other multis helped increased prices of some originals I'd say the cave boards will hold their own...although the 1:1 copy is interesting to all this.

The worst thing about these things is they bring out the worst in the hobby ,i'm on the fence on picking one up funds will dictate whether i do or not and maybe supply haven't even thought of the multi angle yet but its still a chunk of change and i've always been good not playing owning games i can't afford !

[geotrig]

I think rewrite wrote 200 usd in parts for their thing.

I'm pulling 300-400 usd out of my ****, per bootleg.

i've always thought they're mark was probably very good on these.

[kazuo]

\On the other hand, I don't see it making any sense for them to produce a multi because it cuts into their sales. Why sell an all in one multi board when you can keep cranking out PCBs that only have one title on them and sell multiple to each person?

Perhaps because once the multi is available, people will stop ordering multiple PCBs from you in lieu of one multi. If you can make the multi and sell it yourself at a lower price and potentially make more than you would selling just a single PCB.. you'd probably make the multi and sell that instead.

Perhaps I am wrong about this, and there will still be weirdos who want single game PCBs.

i've always thought they're mark was probably very good on these.

I'm sure it's at least 50%, but R&D isn't free.

Sure would be nice if everything was simply sold for what the components inside of it is worth, but time is money, as they say.

[o1s1n]

Given they're charging 1k for single game boots, I wonder will be see 2k-3k (!) initial cost for multis? Might allow them to keep selling their cheaper 1 game versions and also make a considerable chunk of change from the multi too.

Not condoning any of that by the way, should be a 300-400 multi for all

[Jan]

So who was selling the secret 3500$ Multis before ?

[markedkiller78]

I’ve no idea

[pubjoe]

300-400 multi for all

I'd hope the boots might be nearer to 500 in the future. Could be a while though, and I'm totally guessing.

[aerobert]

So who was selling the secret 3500$ Multis before ?

I think the dude that was ranting against @rewrite on AP. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Ddshot]

Super interesting,there’s always gonna be some kind of suppression because cave games went from cool pick ups to financial investments!theres gonna be a lot of **** cave pcb owners over the multi!crazy it’s probably been available for years but you got to be in a secret club for access!meh who cares yeah cave is cool,but there’s a lot better arcade games out there and some real rare shizz!saying that I defo up for a multi

I'm sure some are apprehensive on the direction but the reality is if you are into collecting kits etc this is not a deterrent and people always want an original , sure it will kill some sales competition and demand but that was going to happen eventually anyway and i think currency fluctations/ correction could have as much an impact ,also while other multis helped increased prices of some originals I'd say the cave boards will hold their own...although the 1:1 copy is interesting to all this.

The worst thing about these things is they bring out the worst in the hobby ,i'm on the fence on picking one up funds will dictate whether i do or not and maybe supply haven't even thought of the multi angle yet but its still a chunk of change and i've always been good not playing owning games i can't afford !

Yeah that’s very true,multis,emulation hasn’t really effected value of the ogs historically,I’m one of those dudes who prefers the og,your right about market correction I think the days of peak value during lockdown are over and high value boards are probably gonna be harder sale.thats not just down to the multi,especially in the uk were people wallets are getting emptied faster than they can fill them!i think the multis cool enough respect to the dudes for bringing it public.

[pubjoe]

the reality is if you are into collecting kits etc this is not a deterrent and people always want an original

Yeah, I mean look at NeoGeo AES . So many ways to play those games 1:1 on the cheap, makes no difference to shelfophiles.

I'm trying to think of an example where eventual release of a cheaper option has affected collector value of originals. Mayyybe the TGM games finally getting proper ports. But then most of the PCB buyers weren't collectors, they're hardcore players with no other choice until now. Even then the price drop isn't much, and I'm likely just overthinking a couple of sales.

[emphatic]

If people starts converting originals to multis, someone should just offer trades to save them for history's sake. I would rather trade my original Ibara for a fully working bootleg multi than convert my original board to a multi, for example.