Chempop wrote:On top of iOS destroying Nintendo's handheld market, this system is going to bomb and help Nintendo reach permanent 3rd party status.
Destroying their handheld market.... you're kidding me right? They have sold 22 million 3Ds's up to the end of September 2012! It's been out 18 months. In the first 18 months of the DS that sold 21 million. The DS went on to sell 152 million to the end of September this year.
The 3DS has been a phenominal success in todays gaming and financial climate. I don't know how they have, but they have.
As for Nintendo being a permanent 3rd party status, that implies that they are already 3rd party. You couldn't be anymore more wrong on that one either....
DS - 152 Million
3DS - 22 Million
Wii - 97 Million
They've being **** all over the Playstation and MS brand for the past 7yrs in numbers of units sold.
MS and PS would have a wet dream trying to shift the kinds of numbers Nintendo have over recent years.
3rd party Nintendo is a wet dream that crops up every so often. It sounds good but I can't see it ever happening really. Mario and Zelda games don't just fetch £40 for the game but they also sell Nintendo's consoles. I think Nintendo developers are contractually obligated to commit Harakiri if the company ever stops making consoles.
It's truly amazing how they have built the brand and like you say, can actually shift millions of hardware units based on their exclusive titles alone.
Nintendo are seen as the "has been" by the hardcore gamers and perhaps there is some truth in that, although the true potential of the gaming market size is so much bigger than the hardcore sector. Something Nintendo gathered some time ago and are still reaping the benefits of.
Variety is the spice of life..... especially when it reaps untold riches commercially.
Nintendo's success is impressive, their licences are incredibly juicy...
I'm confident Microsoft will pull it off soon enough, and if there's one manufacturer that shoul'd be worried, it's sony...
The Vita is an utter piece of retarded hardware (JP sales are plummeting) and is already dead (thanks Ipads/Android tablets) and the PS3 gimmick of camera/magic wands failed where Kinect succeded.
baddy wrote:if there's one manufacturer that shoul'd be worried, it's sony...
100% agreed. They have so much more to lose than the other two imo.
To date both the PS3 and 360 have sold 70 million units each (that's quite a shock in itself), which again has been a phenominal positive for MS. They have done a great job coming into this market place as virgins, especially when PS had come off the bat with the PS and PS2. Who would have thought an OS seller would have done this well on it's second generation. Bodes very well for MS in the next round imo.
I'm quite looking forward to next Friday now. I was planning to put it away until Xmas as part of the kids' presents, but they've got enough already, and I want to play Mario...
I'll still keep Skylanders Giants and Lego City: Undercover (if it's actually released) for the boy's presents. Can't wait to play Mario and ZombiU though.
The haters on YT are already donning the boxing gloves. It's quite comical.
One of the well known channels (42k subs) has just reviewed the unit and his reviewer (another guy) just stated that the Wii U is simply an update to the Wii. I nearly fell off my chair when he said that. It doesn't take much to spot a hater in my book.
I personally feel that the next gen of PS and XBOX will be slightly underwhelming, as people keep referencing graphics.
I've just bought a top of the shop HD7970 GFX card for my PC and believe me.... it's doesn't give you mind blowing differences that make your eyes pop out of your head, even compared against a recent AAA title from the 360. Yes, it's better, but imo alot of that is down to the ability to run higher native resolution on a screen that can handle it (2560x1600 and beyond). Now that is on a card that alone is more than £300. Whatever ends up in the next gen PS or XBOX, won't be at the same level graphically as what can be achieved on a PC, so what are people expecting. IMO graphical content has and will continue to plateau to a degree, unless you stay at the absolute pinnacle of technology. Something consoles will never do. Although in many respects this is exactly what Nintendo have managed to do in a number of different ways with the Wii controller method and more recently, the glasses free 3DS.
Some people just don't get it imo and have no idea of the commercial game or in fact reality.
fagin wrote:The haters on YT are already donning the boxing gloves. It's quite comical.
One of the well known channels (42k subs) has just reviewed the unit and his reviewer (another guy) just stated that the Wii U is simply an update to the Wii. I nearly fell off my chair when he said that. It doesn't take much to spot a hater in my book.
I personally feel that the next gen of PS and XBOX will be slightly underwhelming, as people keep referencing graphics.
I've just bought a top of the shop HD7970 GFX card for my PC and believe me.... it's doesn't give you mind blowing differences that make your eyes pop out of your head, even compared against a recent AAA title from the 360. Yes, it's better, but imo alot of that is down to the ability to run higher native resolution on a screen that can handle it (2560x1600 and beyond). Now that is on a card that alone is more than £300. Whatever ends up in the next gen PS or XBOX, won't be at the same level graphically as what can be achieved on a PC, so what are people expecting. IMO graphical content has and will continue to plateau to a degree, unless you stay at the absolute pinnacle of technology. Something consoles will never do. Although in many respects this is exactly what Nintendo have managed to do in a number of different ways with the Wii controller method and more recently, the glasses free 3DS.
Some people just don't get it imo and have no idea of the commercial game or in fact reality.
Too much focus on graphics has to a certain extent killed the console market, and partially the reason why sales of new releases is so much down to previous years (that and the fact nobody has money to waste on another call of duty ****).
Gameplay in many games today suck balls, or maybe it's just my old age, either way I don't seem to enjoy modern games that much.
Apparantly sales figures for the same period after release is less than last years release..... However, put that into perspective and realise global sales on day one was $500 million (roflol), you may appreciate how much life the gaming industry has in it and more to the point the COD series.
The way I look at it is that I normally **** at least £60 up the wall most saturday nights, so even £40 on a game that I don't play after a week, is a virtual bargain. The bonus is I don't feel like **** the following morning.
I personally think that video gaming is so much bigger than it was. It has changed and evolved, which was inevitable as nothing stays the same.
There were all sorts of dog **** games in the 80s and 90s, but due to the internet for reference and general incomes able to blow loads more (in comparison) to what we used to generally spend, I suspect we tend to get bored quicker. FPS is the genre of current times, whether we all like it or not. Personally I don't care. It's all about thechnology and gaming which I love.
I think today there is a bit of a gameplay Renaissance.
There's still a lot of blockbuster fps games with the need to push graphics to the limit but there is a growing market for original gameplay focused games. This is something that's happened due to the industry maturing. Graphic advancement has become so that we're near the end of the tracks for "incredible realism". It's not a killer feature anymore. As the technology matures, we lose interest in the latest graphical marvels. There's a lot of interesting things happening elsewhere. Developers have a lot of technologies available and many aren't bothering to push the limits anymore, they now have a much larger canvas that's less limiting but also more daunting.
I admire Nintendo's stance in this respect. They left the pursuit of polygons long ago. They base the game engine and technology around the game - not the other way around. They are a huge longstanding big budget company, yet the first and only one to really take these risks. They may be hit and miss and they're definitely gimmicky but they're always looking in new places to capture imagination and make something fun, and most importantly, underneath it all is some of the most painstakingly tuned pure gameplay in the industry.
I could write love letters to Nintendo all day. They've had so many ups and downs, yet survived through many trend changes. I just wish I had more time to play their games.
The mistake they make is that "original gameplay" is confused with gimmicky crap that's forcefully built in. Just because you CAN wave a controller around doesn't mean its a good idea to do that in every game.
Anyway, i'm curious about the Wii-U, but not curious enough to get it just yet. Getting a bit tired of the newer Mario games too tbh.
Anyone know if the wii u will be able to do 1080p over component - ie the origional wii component cable? The reason i ask is that the tv that the kids will use already has all of its hdmi sockets taken up with other stuff and i am fed up trying to find a hdmi auto-switcher that is cheap and actually works! (plus i already have the wii component cable and want to save a few pennies if possible)
I have googled and have seen a few people saying it wont, some saying it will, but they dont actually have the cable or console so its all just rumour...
trouble is, most tvs have so many devices hooked up that there arent enough hdmi slots, particularly if the tv is a year or 2 old - 360, ps3, sky box, apple tv, and as i said, i have tried hdmi switchers but they seem flakey at best...
I don't know about the HD over component thing, or if it'll even have the same connector as a wii. They say the wii-u outputs 720p anyway - which component is capable of isnt it? I have everything wired into my telly hidden away behind a wallpapered board with shelves on so I'm not looking forward to the prospect of swapping everything around either.
I do intend to use my hdmi switcher to save trouble if possible though. I just bought one of those cheap as possible 3-way switchers on ebay/amazon and it's never been a problem yet. It works automatically but it also has a button incase it gets confused by more than one thing being switched on.
arcnl wrote:The mistake they make is that "original gameplay" is confused with gimmicky crap that's forcefully built in. Just because you CAN wave a controller around doesn't mean its a good idea to do that in every game.
Anyway, i'm curious about the Wii-U, but not curious enough to get it just yet. Getting a bit tired of the newer Mario games too tbh.
I can't comment on 3rd party games, but Nintendo themselves mostly get their games right though.
I'm just tired of games that take longer than 5 seconds to begin playing to be honest. The 'new super Mario bros' games are insanely fun multiplayers. One of the best mp games ever.
Some people say they've had problems with it but it works fine for me.
cheers, looks similar to one i have already got but seems to work for most people - reading the reviews 1 guy gave it 1 star because he realised he didnt need it as found another hdmi socket on his tv, some people really are idiots
Yeah now that I think about it, it wasn't the absolute cheapest I could find. It looks identical to the no name ones, costs a few pound more and says duronic on it. Maybe the non-branded ones are flakey, but that one's okay. Or maybe it's just pot luck.
It's been out 18 months. In the first 18 months of the DS that sold 21 million. The DS went on to sell 152 million to the end of September this year.
