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Hi fellows.

Last Weekend, I got my Cab in - It is a Sega New Astro City - we will call her 'Candy'. :awe:

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I will be happy about every single tipp or hint you can give me. I will try to follow them, to get the most out of that thread and the restuaration itself.
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Candy did not get the care and attention that she deserved, she was the unbeloved third cab that happend to rest between two egrets, wainting to be replaced by an all new egret II. Poor Candy. Thus she got some rough edges, that nobody fixed up. Until now.
I'd like to fix her little aches and pains, making Candy happy again and getting a little more comfy with her in the process. ;)


This is the first shot taken of Candy at my home. She already got a basic treatment with warm water and shot of windex. Look at her happy face! :D

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Candy knows, that she will be treated well at my home, and that she will get the best threatment I can afford.

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This is my to-do list:
(I will add new points, and strike already completed ones]
  • Remove dust and dirt outside
  • Remove dust and dirt inside
  • Remove the old paint that was used to cover scatches
  • Hide the scatches with a better method
  • Fix monitor brightness issue
  • convert to 20cent coins
  • spraypaint yellowed speaker brezel
  • polish monitor bezel
  • polish cab
  • find replacement speakers
  • colors on main- and coin-mech-door slightly off
  • replace p1/p2 start buttons
  • Get new ball-top and/or shaft for l2.
  • Metal-doorframe on coin-reject-door is bent
  • remove rust from control panel
  • get coin-counter working
  • fix distorted side-art
  • remove "Y100 2 play" sticker
  • get marquee holder and marquee
I hope, that I will make fast progress, but since I already know me, this will take longer than expected. :shifty:

Will keep you updated.


Kind regards,
ninn. :awe:
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Before / After - Gallery:


Chipped off paint, exposed metal:

Before:
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After:
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ninn wrote: Look at her happy face! :D
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God i'm bored! :awe:
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Today, I went to a local paint store and borrowed a color chart.
The store owner told me, that the actual (computer) mixed colors may be little off - but it is just about finding the right direction. And dont trust the photos anyway, my cam does auto-whitebalance.

Lets find out, what color Candy is:


After several tries with my first guesses (different shades of white... ) I was confused - none of the several whites matched. But I found a color that matched pretty well. Have a look:

Color chart on the front panel, top part - next to the brezel and the speakers - the color matches very well as you can see:

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The back of the cab. Here, the color is a absolutely perfect match:

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(The doors match just as good)



Near the control panel, the chosen color does not match that well. The control panel matches slightly better. It is a pretty good fit thou.

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I think, that this may have to do with the fact, that this is the easiest part to wipe and clean, thous the color is brighter - cause it got rubbed a lot more often. :awe:


So, I guess, I found a pretty good match. Don't you think?
The chosen color is nowhere near Cream, Signal White or Trafic White - it is "Grey White", color code (RAL 9002).


I will get a bottle of it mixed to touch candy up with it.



... for reference, this is what will happen if you choose the "wrong" white:

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Candy got several of those scars. I will remove those scabs and repaint them in the the process too.






And, just for the fun of it, lets have a look at the speaker brezel:


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ah... "ivory". Just what I expected. :awe:
Does somebody want to get a bottle mixed? :lol:


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Just so you know, the control panel surround is the only part NOT painted as standard on an astro so they always looks a bit different in the light so don't worry about matching the cp colour. Best clean that up by taking it off the can and polishing it and rubbing out imperfections like this...


http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19972"

Also the coin/service doors at the front also seem to naturally dis-colour so don't use that as a reference either :)

If your not planning to repaint the cannot large part of it I think you would be better just giving the cab a good clean and polish and showing off its scrapes as touching up can sometimes just look as bad. IMO. :)
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You might try mixing up a batch of retr0bright to treat the speaker bezel:

http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/"

Nice purchase... I look forward to your updates.
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Hi ninn & Candy!! And welcome to the NAC Club :D

Got my 1st one a couple of months back. Now she's looking for a partner :lol:
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tetsujin wrote:... the control panel surround is the only part NOT painted as standard on an astro ...
Pretty sure the speaker brezel is not painted too - Otherwise, I could not explain the delicious yellow note on it. :sick:


tetsujin wrote: If your not planning to repaint the cannot large part of it I think you would be better just giving the cab a good clean and polish and showing off its scrapes as touching up can sometimes just look as bad. IMO. :)
I fully understand your opinion, and I thought about it hard. But I guess, trying on the back side first will not hurt.

But my main problem is that somebody >already< raped Cady with completely off colored white paint - like you see in the one photo above.


My plan for the painted (and scatched) metal parts is:
  • Give Candy a nice scrub with car shampoo
  • remove old wrongly-colored paint , that was used to fix scratches (compare to photo from above) - with a scalpel
  • sand those areas with very fine sandpaper.
  • apply newly mixed "grey white" color
  • use t-cut to melt those colors together
  • polish
I will lots of pictures, just to see how it turns out. And I will start on the back side anyway.



To restore the color on the plastic control panel surround and the monitor brezel, I want to do the following (pretty the same a Paulie suggested in http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic. ... 72#p256673" ):
  • free them
  • Novus 3
  • Novus 2
  • Novus 1
gabe wrote: You might try mixing up a batch of retr0bright to treat the speaker bezel:
I want to repaint the speaker brezel in Badass-Black. Just like NASGuy. I really like the idea, and I find that it fits a NAC a lot better than the white speaker brezel.


Thanks a lot for all your hints,
I am looking forward to some nice color action the next days :D
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Phots when you doo :)

Good luck with your work and remember, just take your time and dont rush as you always get best results that way :)
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Hi ninn,
Congratulations with your new cabinet!

I just received a similar one last week – it is in a slightly better overall condition it seems but there is also some areas where I would like to freshen it up a bit.
E.g. the classics such as yellowed doors and speaker bezels.
I also need to clean the inside for some 17 years of smog and nicotine :-)

So I will follow this thread closely!
Any idea where to get stuff like T-Cut and Novus products (or something similar) in mainland Europe? I'm located in Denmark my self.

Good luck with the project!
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Svovl wrote: Any idea where to get stuff like T-Cut and Novus products (or something similar) in mainland Europe? ...
Good luck with the project!
Thanks!
I used ebay for those items. Expect expensive shipping, and be ready to pay shiping costs for every single item at its own. :awe:



Yesterday, I got the freshly mixed color. It chose acrylic paint, and asked for the recipe of "grey white". Store owner told me, it is white with a splash of black and - you guessed it - "Ochre" :D
I guess that Ochre is not in the original recipe of Segas Astro City paint, and was individually added at the arcades.

This made me think - maybe i should have chosen the color after cleaning with t-cut? nevermind, i can alway mix the color with my acrylic paints, e.g. white.


lets have a look at my first test patch:


this is the part I chose to test on - it was completly missing the color layer, exposing the metal beneath. It is the small door, where you can have a look at the monitor chassis.

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I used 400 and 800 sand paper to remove scap parts and smoothen the patch.

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After sanding down some of the original paint, I saw that the color became a bit brighter. Thats what I was talking about before - and thats the effect I expect from T-Cut. You can see this in the photos at the lower, long scratch. It is surrounded by a brighter color.

In retrospective, i should have not sanded it down by hand, beeing more precise, since sanding down good paint - especially on the borders - is very hard to fix. Best bet would be to sand down >just< the completely exposed parts - with just a very small surround - as little as possible - but that seemed nearly impossible to do by hand. I will have to think about a solution. [just found one, I guess: My Dremel is pretty precise, and I surely got a tip for it .... yes: Sanding Drum 8-) Will use that next time. ]



Here, you see the first layer of paint. Looks good so far. 8-)

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After taking pictures, while standing up, I dipped my belly into the fresh paint.
tetsujin wrote: ... remember, just take your time and dont rush ...
:P

I had to apply a second layer of color, generating more blops and drips. :cry:



On the next picture you see the (almost) dried paint. The color match is pretty impressive. It just does not looks as smooth as I original paint, cause I opted ( :awe: ) for second layer of paint. You see a glob of paint hanging down the border.

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After sanding that part down with wet 1000 sand paper, it looks like this:

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The paint hasn't been perfectly dry, i guess, thats why i removed a small part while sanding it. Or did it just broke off?I dont know ... nevermind. The difference between before and after is already impressive enough. Especially for the first test. I am very happy with the result.



In retrospective, I should have taken less paint and more layers instead. I used too much paint, resulting in blops. While painting, I though "the much the better, I will sand it down anyways" - but sanding down >just to get it flat< would have not been needed, if I was able to do a clean layer of paint. The drips and blops you saw were pretty hard (and next to impossible) to remove, especially because I removed more paint than expected in the first sanding. This could have happened again, which I was afraid of. So, sanding the new paint just >flatten out< the blops - you will still see their shadows.

If I repeated the procedure [Sand down, paint, sand, paint, sand, repeat till mad] it would likely look better.


Result:

If you don't know where to look you will not find the new patch of color.
And, after you found the right spot, It just looks like another layer added on top.

I showed the result to my girl for final approval and she said, that it looks like a layer of tipp-ex. (what a destructive conclusion :problem: )
But then on the other hand , she did not spotted the scatches in the first place. and was blown away when I showed her the before-photo :lolno:

Maybe nobody cares about those scatches at all. :awe:
At least Candy cared, and she liked it alot - and thats reason enough for me to keep on.


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I will definitly fix a lot of similar scratches on the back and sides of Candy that way.
And when my technique has been prooven to be good and I am used to it, then I will work on her front lastly.


But I will wait for T-Cut to arrive first.


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Nice match of colour.

But when painting, its best to do many, light layers, than try and do just a few heavy layers. This way you have less chance of getting runs/build up of paint :)
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Looks like you have a great project there buddy. I'm sure you will have a lot of fun with it, good luck with the resto :)
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ninn wrote: I used ebay for those items. Expect expensive shipping, and be ready to pay shiping costs for every single item at its own. :awe:
I actually managed to find some pretty good stuff here in Denmark that I think that is more or less equivalent to T-Cut called Slipol.
I managed to clean most of the nicotine yellowing off the cabinet doors with the stuff :-)
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I opted against the use of T-Cut to remove stain. I don't think T-Cut is intended as a cleaning product. I wanted to wash her first.

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Yesterday, I gave Candy a full wash. I used a Oxy-product, that is originally intended for heavy bathroom stain. It looked strong enough, thick enough to generate sticky foam. Since it got bleach added, I used a heavy plastic sheet to protect my beloved wooden floor.

Who is a little, dirty cab? Who?
Lets get soaked!

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I applied the product with a normal sponge, let it rest for a minute, and scrubbed over it with the sponge. I took the foam off with warm water. After that, I removed leftovers with a paper towel. And after the wash was completed, I used warm water again to removed all of the leftovers on the whole cab. The whole bottle of water became foamy again, that much chemicals were left on Candy.

I wore silicon gloves all the time. Glad I had, 'cause I ruined my pants in the process - they discolored.

To my surprise, that treatment removed a lot - what I thought were - scratches too. A lot of those 'scratches' were actually some kind of 'bump marks', either from improper transport, smeared stickers (NOT Residue, but smeared, melted, colored plastic) or from bumping into other candys. I even found chips of paint from other cabs. With some intense scrubbing, they all vanished.


Take for example the long scatch on the the right hand side:

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The sticker on the bottom right will be treated with GooGone seperately.


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As a nice side effect, the "wrongly colored" paint, that covered obvious cuts on the front, came off easily too.

After two hours of hard work and inhaling chlorine, i was stunned.

Candy became very shiny and a touch brighter now!
She absolutely loves her new style! :awe:

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That photo came out great - it has not been touched up! Candy is not really >that< white, but it is a world of a difference!


It was so shiny that I was able to put my robot under a rouge test.

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Result: Robot fell in love with Candy at a geometric rate. :awe:




... and the best part is: I have not treated the scatches yet, nor did I use any polishing compound. This will happen later. :-o

Looking forward to the next steps,
ninn :D
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She's shining like a beauty :clap: Damn it, I've had mine since summer and you've already passed me. I seriously have too little me time :wtf:
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Yesterday I was looking under her hood! :awe:
Then I was wasing her face.


Plan was, to remove the monitor brezel and get it polished using Novus.

But while lifting it, I already got black fingers :lolno:
It was dirty beyond believe. I think it was a combination of cigarette smoke and abraded plastic. I guess it was sucked in because of the TV'S static. Have a look at that disgusting dirt:


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Every Cab owner should clean their candy there.

I took natural soda cleaner to take off the dirt. It was a dirty process, which demanded lots of clean water, but most of the dirt came off easily - it was just about the mass and the hard-to-reach-edges :cry:


Originally, I wanted to 'just' remove the scars on the brezel. There were two of those (big one center), with some smaller ones (lower right corner):

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I started with Novus 2, since I was afraid to use Novus 3 - i got no idea how that stuff was working. Most of the scratches vanished pretty fast, but some stayed longer, so I redid all with Novus 3, then again Novus 2 - wich already gave a very nice shine ... and finished off with Novus 1 on a microfibre towel.

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The result is stunning - all scatches vanished.
I was pretty tired after that - it was a pretty exhausting process.

Will keep that Novus-Stuff, and use it on other consoles for sure too.
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Candy is demanding more beauty!
I have to obey! :awe:


Next is the control panel surround.
It is heavily scratched, with lots of yellowed dirt.

Have a look - I had to darken the image, so you can see the problem. This was the most damaged area, next to the 1-player-buttons.

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I removed the control panel from Candy, and gave it a basic wash.

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It felt like the rust from the panel would never come of. I felt that cleaning it up did not get it cleaner. Same was true for the dirt on the front.

I began with Novus 3 and tried to smoothen the scatches. It felt at first, that It became better, but then I notices a big scratch that did not vanish - no matter how hard I tried. I did not get it. I tried really hard.

I went to Novus 2, and Novus 1 ... two hours gone by already, and my arm was already exhausted. But after Novus 1, I was wondering, because it did not start to shine like the monitor brezel.

I took a closer look:


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Wtf?
I was not satisfied at all. :wtf:
I heard Candy weeping in the background.
It did not look that much better. :mad:


This made me think ... well, Novus is for Acryl. Maybe that material is not acryl?

I went for a more aggressive method. I asked Mr Sandpaper for some good advice..

I desperately switched to type 600.

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Woho - that one finally, that one worked, seeing progress! Removing marks and smoothing! Still, hard work, because the material of the control panel felt a lot like chalk. :eh: White dust everywhere, smutching my sandpaper. But it worked!

I smoothened with type 800 and finished it with wet 1200 grain sandpaper....

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To my surprise, It is not that easy to remove material. I was afraid to loose the borders, rounding it too much - but that was not the case. the material is pretty robust.
But It really worked and I got it very smooth.


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To finish it off, I used magic eraser.

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But one problem: The shine went. It is smooth, but It is missing its shine.
The sides still got their original layers, and they feel a lot smoother. If you touch them, they are cold. If you touch my reworked front, it feels warm. :oops:

This made me think again, maybe there was some sort clear coat on that control panel surround?

I will have to look for some material that will give me that shine back, maybe some kind of car wax? Will think about it.

In the meanwhile i will stroke it with magic eraser till supersmooth. :awe:

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Excellent work so far - it's looking great :thumbup: :awe:
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You should use an electric buffer.