Taito F3 Bubble Bobble 2 PROTOTYPE PCB Discovered!!!!

[moshpit]

Yes Jørg

[muddymusic]

This stuff is shared so people can enjoy it, rather than me locking it away in some vault never to be seen.
I'm a big collector of Taito stuff and seeing innocent games get hacked up is the last thing I want.

I'll just keep reminding myself it's one or two individuals trying to **** it up for everyone else.

I have another interesting Taito proto I'll be doing a write up on after Play. No doubt coming soon to an eBay auction near you

[funkpig]

**** this ****.

Classic Joerg Hartenberger of http://www.pornhub.com/gayporn/"

He charges money for NAOMI ROMs which come in password protected Zip files. These files work only with his own netboot uploading and CF card writing tools, which themselves are both based upon work and research done by other people. They are also protected with serial code registration system via way of "machine ID" challenge and response. You have to e-mail him with your machine ID (and of course your payment), and he'll then issue you with an unlock code.

Yeah. A pretty dick move for a number of reasons.

The ROMs are all available for download form a password protected directory on his website. I won't post the details publically here, but I'm sure Sega would be interested to know.

As for his tools, yeah I cracked them. Morally, I think I'm off the hook. No need to pay Joerg for these.

[cools]

I'm going to stick up for Joerg slightly here.

There's nothing wrong with taking publicly available information and code and repackaging it to make some money. The open source movement gets a whole lot of funding this way. He's perfectly entitled to do so - I've not seen anyone else take the time to put together an idiot proof plug and play CF solution. It's all docs and guides, fine if you want a DIY approach but quite frankly I like what he's put together here, it's elegant and requires zero knowledge to use.

He also doesn't charge for the ROMs, he charges for the flashing software and his CF hardware, and makes the ROMs available. I agree that distributing them is immoral, but not the rest of it.

Ripping off someone wholesale when they've developed something that they've kept private (a-la Invzim being stung with his JVS-PAC) is however not kosher.

What he does converting games I disagree with wholeheartedly. If he (and anyone else) were actually manufacturing their own PCBs rather than destroying cheap games I'd support that move, sadly this isn't the case.

[undamned]

This stuff is shared so people can enjoy it, rather than me locking it away in some vault never to be seen.
I'm a big collector of Taito stuff and seeing innocent games get hacked up is the last thing I want.

I'll just keep reminding myself it's one or two individuals trying to **** it up for everyone else.

I have another interesting Taito proto I'll be doing a write up on after Play. No doubt coming soon to an eBay auction near you

Yeah, just like on a larger scale, all the folks selling "ARCADE GAMES FOR YOUR PC!!!" sets all over. Snubs the die hards that went to the effort to dump their games and those who wrote the emulation. Though I see that as a smaller blemish on the face of preservation. The fact that these games don't get lost and sometimes even gain popularity decades after their early life is great. Looking forward to your next big reveal!
-ud

[funkpig]

I'm going to stick up for Joerg slightly here.

There's nothing wrong with taking publicly available information and code and repackaging it to make some money. The open source movement gets a whole lot of funding this way. He's perfectly entitled to do so - I've not seen anyone else take the time to put together an idiot proof plug and play CF solution. It's all docs and guides, fine if you want a DIY approach but quite frankly I like what he's put together here, it's elegant and requires zero knowledge to use.

He also doesn't charge for the ROMs, he charges for the flashing software and his CF hardware, and makes the ROMs available. I agree that distributing them is immoral, but not the rest of it.

Sorry but that's ****.

The proceeds from commercial sales within the open source movement actually benefit the movement. Jörg is the only person who profits in this case.

I have close links with some of the folks who released the NAOMI encryption info with the intention that tools were made freely available. Sure, there's no real license attached to it, so in that sense he can indeed "do what he wants" with the info but, however you paint it, Jörg is blatantly a dick when it comes to making an easy buck with limited effort.

Why would Jörg encrypt the ROMs he provides so they can be used only with his tools? To lock people into paying for the tools.

So in this regard, **** him.

[cools]

Or perhaps encrypting them is a way of ensuring an idiot proof solution? You minimise support issues if you're in control of the data and the application.

I have close links with some of the folks who released the NAOMI encryption info with the intention that tools were made freely available.

And yet rather than writing a nice free tools with the information, people prefer to use the cracked one...

[funkpig]

Or perhaps encrypting them is a way of ensuring an idiot proof solution? You minimise support issues if you're in control of the data and the application.

Really so naïve? Bigger issues are with setting up the NAOMI jumpers and Ethernet config. Besides, it's not really his data to control, is it?

And yet rather than writing a nice free tools with the information, people prefer to use the cracked one...

Fine by me, at least now there is a truly free solution.

[cools]

Jumpers and Ethernet config? i thought we were discussing the CF Naomi, not Netbooting.

My point still stands, no-one else has used the info to make a solution as straightforward as his.

[funkpig]

Jumpers and Ethernet config? i thought we were discussing the CF Naomi, not Netbooting.

My point still stands, no-one else has used the info to make a solution as straightforward as his.

He sells both CF writing and netbooting tools. Both use the same encrypted, zip-archived ROMs, which he bundles with the sale.

And there are other freely available tools. There was the netbooting tool that Jackalus made, and I believe that rot made a CF writing tool, it's just harder to find than Jörg's tool, as far as I know.

With Jörg, it's barely about support; it's about profit, pure and simple. If you want to believe otherwise, then I respect your opinion. However, there is far too much of a track record of shady behavior, bootlegging and profiteering.

[cools]

I'd like to see that other tool you've mentioned.

[pubjoe]

You'd like to see Rot's tool?

[golani]

Did anybody now something about Bubble Bobble 2 (bubble symphony) ver 2.60 1994/12/16 ?
i could not find any Information about that Version in mame
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4012 ... fb_jpg.htm

[albolo]

i found the proto of Elevator Action Returns:

[phillv85]

Nice

How does it compare to the release version?

[muddymusic]

Oh that's very cool! Is it a early version like my BB2 was?