is this hyper sf board for real?

[MmSadda]

When was the Asian version released? I got the impression that this version was a 2004 release - is that the same as yours?

Also, JJP, what are your thoughts on Hyper versus Turbo?

Finally, I suggest you updated the JJP advice thread, if you haven't already.

Thanks

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[Artemio]

It is 040202, so it must be the same version as the Asia one. I do have some pics from the inside of the board that I sent to Razoola and the MAME team when I dumped it.

[MmSadda]

It is 040202, so it must be the same version as the Asia one. I do have some pics from the inside of the board that I sent to Razoola and the MAME team when I dumped it.

Wait, MX roms? I thought Capcom used EPROMS primarily in these boards...

[masterturk]

Mainman is on here also

Starks are you in, we need to investigate further... this thread is evolving hmmmmm

[Artemio]

It is 040202, so it must be the same version as the Asia one. I do have some pics from the inside of the board that I sent to Razoola and the MAME team when I dumped it.

Wait, MX roms? I thought Capcom used EPROMS primarily in these boards...

MX MASK ROMS, there's a huge difference. This is the norm for this game.

[MmSadda]

I'm just really thrown off by the fact that I've been into Neo Geo for a long time, and those same chips would indicate a bootleg in an MVS cartridge.

So Capcom used chips other than just EPROMS in this board, eh? Did they use MX Mask roms in other games as well?

Thanks for your thoughts on this - I'm learning a lot!

[yosai]

Why even bother with SSF2X? SSFIV is much better.

[Artemio]

Yes I also come from the Neo Geo scene and know what you mean. In those places in the B board (Graphics) Capcom used Mask ROMS most of the time, there have been a few exceptions reported that only have the official Capcom stickers with the name of the ROMS typed or written (one example is Mighty Pang! USA)


As you can see in the picture of this one they read:

HS2-13M HS2-17M

HS2-15M HS2-19M

And that indicates the position and game the ROM is supposed to be, you can see the numbers on the PCB for the empty spaces. Of course this applies to any CPS-2 game, they have that same naming convention albeit they used different parts manufacturers. This game was produced in 2004, and things had apparently changed a lot. This can probably be verified by owners of other region HSF2 boards.

I thought exactly the same thing as you did when I opened mine, and immediately contacted Razoola to verify this. He replied that it was legit and it was added to MAME as the root ROM.

[MmSadda]

just get ssf2x and stop worrying about collecting and which is the rarest etc. just play the games

you're going to get your **** handed to you unless you have patience in SSF2T and HSF2, HSF2 is only worth the money if you're a truly hardcore SF2 fan and you have versus competition all the time, else its a waste of money.

You make an interesting point. However, it seems like SSF2X has crept up in price lately, so much so that it seems closer to HSF than it should be. I'm not in a rush to get a SF2 game, though, so maybe a reasonable (read: NOT more than double SSF2) price for SSF2T/X will come up.

What ARE the differences between the two?

Why even bother with SSF2X? SSFIV is much better.

It's funny because it's ****

Yes I also come from the Neo Geo scene and know what you mean. In those places in the B board (Graphics) Capcom used Mask ROMS most of the time, there have been a few exceptions reported that only have the official Capcom stickers with the name of the ROMS typed or written (one example is Mighty Pang! USA)

As you can see in the picture of this one they read:
HS2-13M HS2-17M
HS2-15M HS2-19M

And that indicates the position and game the ROM is supposed to be, you can see the numbers on the PCB for the empty spaces. Of course this applies to any CPS-2 game, they have that same naming convention albeit they used different parts manufacturers. This game was produced in 2004, and things had apparently changed a lot. This can probably be verified by owners of other region HSF2 boards.

I thought exactly the same thing as you did when I opened mine, and immediately contacted Razoola to verify this. He replied that it was legit and it was added to MAME as the root ROM.

Awesome! Thank you so much for your information on this!! I believe Mr. Garcia is a great, honest dude. However, having Raz confirm that the boards are legit is about as significant a confirmation as there could be, short of Capcom itself, it seems.

[John James Pacinelli]

Also, JJP, what are your thoughts on Hyper versus Turbo?

To cut a long story short, if you hare a SF2 freak (and I am) you gotta have both. The differences are subtle but it is still worth it (among other things, just the idea to play with a CE character vs another CE character at higher speed than the original cps1 version gets me a boner.

just get ssf2x and stop worrying about collecting and which is the rarest etc. just play the games

Besides the point. We are trying to verify what are the differences(if any) between the US version of HSF and the Japanese /Asian version (and if this is a bootleg). That does not necessary mean we are gonna fork out 400 bucks for this board (not me anyway, but if someone else want to there wouldn't be anything wrong with that).

I'm a massive SF2 fan, and its still not worth owning one bit, unless you have people round every week who are actually hardcore SF2 players, and good at it.

All is relative. If you are a SF2 buff and have some friends around then HSF is definitely a must buy. If you are a SF2 freak then you gotta have it anyway for instance to check out very single difference between every single character in every single version and play the game inside out.

[MmSadda]

SSF2X is a fraction of the price of HSF2, we're talking £65 vs £400 or something.

Differences being, in HSF2 you can play any SF2 version of a character, SF2 world warrior/Championship edition/Hyper Fighting/Super/Super X, but its bloody pointless in 1P as the computer always uses the Super X version, and *most* (not all) characters are their best incarnation in Super X anyway.

I'm a massive SF2 fan, and its still not worth owning one bit, unless you have people round every week who are actually hardcore SF2 players, and good at it. Very good.

No, Kern. We're talking nearly $200 (based on what the last couple have gone for) versus roughly $300 (What I can get a Hyper board for). It may be a fraction, but it's not one with a 1 in the numerator as you imply. Not to mention, the value of the X board will likely go down, whereas Hyper will probably not.

Thanks for your information on the differences, though, babycakes.

[MmSadda]

To cut a long story short, if you hare a SF2 freak (and I am) you gotta have both. The differences are subtle but it is still worth it (among other things, just the idea to play with a CE character vs another CE character at higher speed than the original cps1 version gets me a boner.

Besides the point. We are trying to verify what are the differences(if any) between the US version of HSF and the Japanese /Asian version (and if this is a bootleg). That does not necessary mean we are gonna fork out 400 bucks for this board (not me anyway, but if someone else want to there wouldn't be anything wrong with that).

All is relative. If you are a SF2 buff and have some friends around then HSF is definitely a must buy. If you are a SF2 freak then you gotta have it anyway for instance to check out very single difference between every single character in every single version and play the game inside out.

Got ya. I'm not a SF2 freak, but I have great memories of the game, and feel like if I'm going to shell out the money, I may as well do it for the definitive version, especially considering the prices of those boards seem to be closer than ever before.

[John James Pacinelli]

Catfight?

[MmSadda]

Where are SSF2X's selling for $200? Or did you mean turbo?

Gonna get raped in 1P, its just not fun in 1P. SSF2X is.

What's the difference between X and Turbo? I must've missed something, because I thought X was the Japanese version of Turbo. Please, fill me in, babycakes!

[MmSadda]

Catfight?

Yep. Just not here.
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost2994874"

[MmSadda]

Theres a few differences apart from the obvious names changes etc. Mainly some move voices have been changes (cammy), or a few one hit dizzy moves (zangief). X is indeed the JP version of Turdo. The AI is ridiculous on Super Turbo, r i d i c u l o u s. You just get owned, cheesed up and K.O'd in three hits, and its really no fun at all.

And hyper is the same. Theres no point because the CPU always chooses the ST character, and why would you want to fight against them with the CE version, haha. Fair enough if I had a load of 2P action with hardcore SF2 heads I'd buy it, but its just not worth it for the price it costs over SSF2X (which is a cheap as hell board and certainly not $200). The blue SSF2T is $150 or so because its rarer.

I know you do like rare things though

Depends if you're going to play it, or put it on a shelf. Could always get a phoenixed SSF2T and then you have both versions to play with.

Okay, so it's the Japanese "equivalent" of SSF2T, but it's different? Any chance you could post a pic of what the board looks like? I think I've only seen SSF2T boards, the last of which (the $200 one) was phoenixed. The rest were upwards of $125, but not quite as obscenely priced.

Also, in X, the text is in Japanese, no? I do have a real preference for English games, as my Japanese skills are absolutely minimal.

[tony starks]

Mainman is on here also

Starks are you in, we need to investigate further... this thread is evolving hmmmmm

It's hard being an Avenger, always on call

Like Kern said just get a phoenixed SSF2T board, best of both worlds.

[cools]

2X seems to be a hell of a lot cheaper in the UK than the US.

[MmSadda]

I concur. Seems like Hyper is more expensive over there, too...

Honestly, I don't really see X for sale, whereas Turbo comes up a fair bit...

[Tetsuosan]

CE Bison alone is the point to not play this game. Why would you make his psycho crusher have a hitbox on the tail end of it. It's basically unblockable if you get hit mid screen.