The dispute resolution thread

[Jan]

ok chaps, i`m not even gonna read what he wrote.

let me make my side very short for you.

i told the Buyer that i never changed the battery the pre-owed never did, so it would need a replacement soon. that is before the board was sold.
he told me that this was not an issue, he would take care of that right after arrival, he even had a spare battery. please check his posts, he mentioned before that the usually replaces the battery directly, or that he was not fast enough to replace this one etc.

when the game arrived he told me that it was not booting and the a board was not working neither with other games. i asked him to check the connections and to make sure he did not bend a pin. suddenly the a-board was working again, but the B not. i offered him a 150euro refund for fixing the b board or a full refund after arrival under the premisses that he should make no modifications to the board whatsoever.

so i got the board back and found a pin slightly bend but fixed ( take it that was the problem for the a board glitches), which was not a big deal, happens to the best. but while checking the back of the board i found fresh soldering points with a lot of sticky flux. And most important with the exact same battery i send him with 3.7V.

So i asked him why he did soldering. I was told that he had no skills to do these things. That was the point when i kept informing yosai about this , because the whole thing was starting to smell fishy and i had the urge to inform a moderator.

i asked a professional electronic tech (he is on the forum btw) to check the soldering points and got the confirmation that the flux was not vintage, no dust, not traces of dirt, sticky.

And most important i know how the board looked when i shipped it, and it did not look like a monkey worked on it, sadly i was stupid enough to only take pictures from the top pcb.

i suspect that he did infact replace the battery and while the board was not used much, the rest charge was probably very low, so the board died faster than he expected. soldered back the original battery and shipped it back.

i refunded him anyway (none gift payment) , because i can not proof this, but there is no doubt modifications were done to the b-board.

if you gonna ban me for this, let it be, i forced myself to refund him, even thou i know i`m getting ucked here, but there is no way i`m doing more than that.

Ps.
I made it very clear why I locked my thread and decided to no longer offer any games for a while, it is you.

[Aerotaburu09]

i told the Buyer that i never changed the battery the pre-owed never did, so it would need a replacement soon. that is before the board was sold.

You never told me anything about the pre-owner. You said you didn´t know the last time the battery was changed, and I told you I always do it as fast as I can. I visit my brother often when I need to do this kind of staff, because as I told you I don´t have any tool at home, not even a voltmeter.

he told me that this was not an issue, he would take care of that right after arrival, he even had a spare battery. please check his posts, he mentioned before that the usually replaces the battery directly, or that he was not fast enough to replace this one etc.

You´re right, I was not fast enough because the board came dead and as I said in your post, and I showed to you in the very first moment with many pictures. I didn´t even have the chance to have the battery changed.

when the game arrived he told me that it was not booting and the a board was not working neither with other games. i asked him to check the connections and to make sure he did not bend a pin. suddenly the a-board was working again, but the B not.

When the board came and I tested it, I got a blue screen. At the beginning I was thinking it was a connection issue between the boards, but nothing changed. Then I decided to test your A board with my 19xx (hoping that the problem was in this board and not in the game). And yes there were some glitches as I told you. I was nervous and provably I didn´t connect them so tight.

i offered him a 150euro refund for fixing the b board or a full refund after arrival under the premisses that he should make no modifications to the board whatsoever.

Your first offer was 100€, but when you said (with reason) that you were not going to respond if someone tries to fix the board, I decided to return it to you. Apart from my bank account I offered you the possibility to make the refund through paypal as friend.

so i got the board back and found a pin slightly bend but fixed ( take it that was the problem for the a board glitches), which was not a big deal, happens to the best.

Maybe you bended it when you opened the board, because as I said in your thread and everyone can see, any pins were bended when I carefully inspected the board.

but while checking the back of the board i found fresh soldering points with a lot of sticky flux. And most important with the exact same battery i send him with 3.7V.

I didn´t even see the backside of the board when I had it at home, but according to your pictures, for me and many people witch I know this is totally normal for a 19 years old CPS2. You said you didn´t know the last time the battery was changed. I wonder how many batteries were soldered in the board before you sent it to me.
And you said in your thread and also in private, that the board had 3.x v. That´s not 3.7v as you said at last.

So i asked him why he did soldering. I was told that he had no skills to do these things. That was the point when i kept informing yosai about this , because the whole thing was starting to smell fishy and i had the urge to inform a moderator.

You were accusing me of doing something I didn´t do, and more important you couldn´t prove. Provably the game was working when you bought it, but I´m sure it died in one of your shelves full of dust, and you didn´t even test it before you shipped it to me.

i asked a professional electronic tech (he is on the forum btw) to check the soldering points and got the confirmation that the flux was not vintage, no dust, not traces of dirt, sticky.

Not vintage doesn´t mean the soldering was done 1 week before.

And most important i know how the board looked when i shipped it, and it did not look like a monkey worked on it, sadly i was stupid enough to only take pictures from the top pcb.

Sorry but in this point I don´t believe you. If you knew exactly how your board looked before you shipped it to me, why didn´t you do any picture or video of the game working?
I made a mistake not asking you those pictures because I trusted you. As I told you, my friend bought you a Dodonpachi and he didn´t have any problem. But a good seller in my opinion is based on how he manages the situation when a problem comes. I can sell 100 working pcb and that doesn´t make me a good seller.
Your board was very clean and totally normal. Have you ever seen another CPS2 game? Provably not because this is the only CAVE one.

i suspect that he did infact replace the battery and while the board was not used much, the rest charge was probably very low, so the board died faster than he expected. soldered back the original battery and shipped it back.

Again, are you a detective? I didn´t do any work on the board. The marks of flux you showed in the pictures are totally normal. I don´t have any tools at home. But this kind of work replacing a battery normally takes less than 1 minute.

i refunded him anyway (none gift payment) , because i can not proof this, but there is no doubt modifications were done to the b-board.

Maybe you though you could intimidate me paying as product or service, but the the truth is that you paid me 21€ less. I didn´t sell you anything, this was a refund for a product you sold me.
I didn´t even ask you for the money I paid to send it back to you.

if you gonna ban me for this, let it be, i forced myself to refund him, even thou i know i`m getting ucked here, but there is no way i`m doing more than that.

You play the victim very well.
Ps.

I made it very clear why I locked my thread and decided to no longer offer any games for a while, it is you.

You locked the thread before the board arrived back to you. You made sure I couldn´t post anything regarding this issue in public. That clearly shows you were trying to put the blame on me from the beginning, even before inspecting the board.

[Jan]

sir , i`m not going to discuss this matter any further. people know that i`m not selling crap, so go and try to shame the next member, because there is not doubt that will happen.

i can only advice any memeber here to be extra carefull with dealing with this chap, or you will get burned.

if anyone would like to investigate this any further, i have all pms saved.

[cools]

Sod mandatory ebay or location for registration, mandatory multimeter would be more helpful.

[Jan]

the game is on the way to Yosai, i asked him to check the voltage when it arrives to confirm the 3.7V.

[SuperPang]

Just my opinion but at the end of the day, I don't see that there's any further action to be taken by mods here. It's one person's word/suspicions against another and I don't think any amount of CSI is going to prove anything one way or another. You've both had your say, which is what this thread's about, and your opinions will be left for posterity.

[Aerotaburu09]

At the end I can see it’s my opinion against his opinion, but I just wanted to make it public for anyone that may have a problem with him in the future.
What happened made me learn a lesson: Don’t buy anything that is not properly tested by the seller with videos and photos, as I always do uploading the videos to youtube when I sell a PCB.
A seller shows his true face when the product he sells has some problem.

[yosai]

Even if there were photos and videos it leaves the same options.

1. It died in transit.
2. The buyer killed it.

The seller is well known on this board so probably wouldn't jeopardize future trades. Besides, it's trivial to fix and the buyer got refunded.

The only dispute here is wether the board was alive when shipped. I believe it was, it's also completely possible it died during shipping.

[Jan]

A seller shows his true face when the product he sells has some problem.

right, talking about that, i have been contacted by two other members who had similar Problems with you. just for future reference.

[michino]

A seller shows his true face when the product he sells has some problem.

right, talking about that, i have been contacted by two other members who had similar Problems with you. just for future reference.

You can say the same about yourself, it's not your first problem with someone, what does not give much tranquility when buying here.

[Jan]

no idea who you are, but bring it on.

[Aerotaburu09]

Even if there were photos and videos it leaves the same options.

1. It died in transit.
2. The buyer killed it.

The seller is well known on this board so probably wouldn't jeopardize future trades. Besides, it's trivial to fix and the buyer got refunded.

The only dispute here is wether the board was alive when shipped. I believe it was, it's also completely possible it died during shipping.

3. The board was already dead when the seller sent it because he didn´t even test it. Oh sorry, he measured 3.x v

[Aerotaburu09]

A seller shows his true face when the product he sells has some problem.

right, talking about that, i have been contacted by two other members who had similar Problems with you. just for future reference.

I had only 1 problem with 1 person here last year. I showed him he was wrong, he said sorry and everything was forgotten. So when you say something tell the truth.
Everything is here in this thread.

[Rocco]

Hello people



All of us have the risk for possible failures when selling or buying these kind of vintage boards , cabinets ,etc ...there will be always .

I’m very sorry to see Aerotaburu having this issue as buyer , and for Jan as seller . I only know that the same day the Progear arrived to Spain , was tested and not working . Maybe was simple bad luck . But once you guys agreed to refunding the deal , why there are 21€ less ?

We are few people in this crazy hobby and we should collaborate and try to solve these bad experiences.

Personally I’ve done some deals with Jan and Aerotaburu and were all fine .

Please I hope both of you guys can sort out this as soon as possible .

[Aerotaburu09]

A seller shows his true face when the product he sells has some problem.

right, talking about that, i have been contacted by two other members who had similar Problems with you. just for future reference.

You can say the same about yourself, it's not your first problem with someone, what does not give much tranquility when buying here.

I bought other things here and everything went ok. If there is a problem with something I buy and it doesn´t work I claim, like everybody else would do.
I had to buy a second Progear because of you. Thanks to snk80. He really tested the board, not like you.

[Jan]

3. The board was already dead when the seller sent it because he didn´t even test it. Oh sorry, he measured 3.x v

i test every game i ship.

so, how many more spanish chaps can we expect to Show up ?

[Aerotaburu09]

Even if there were photos and videos it leaves the same options.

1. It died in transit.
2. The buyer killed it.

The seller is well known on this board so probably wouldn't jeopardize future trades. Besides, it's trivial to fix and the buyer got refunded.

The only dispute here is wether the board was alive when shipped. I believe it was, it's also completely possible it died during shipping.

3. The board was already dead when the seller sent it because he didn´t even test it. Oh sorry, he measured 3.x v

4. He knew the board wasn´t working before he sent it, thinking it was easy to put the blame on the buyer. It´s another option.

[Jan]

right and because of that my first reply was that i would refund you if it was really defect.

[Aerotaburu09]

3. The board was already dead when the seller sent it because he didn´t even test it. Oh sorry, he measured 3.x v

right and because of that my first reply was that i would refund you if it was really defect.

so, how many more spanish chaps can we expect to Show up ?

Maybe you thought I would accept money keeping your dead board.
And it´s not a question about spanish or german chaps, like you say. It´s a question of common sense and respect, things that you lack.

[Jan]

it is very easy to see what you are doing and it is not working. I`ll make sure to look into this thread more often to see more Storys of you beeing scammed.