Another MS2931 struggle...
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Another MS2931 struggle...
I dealing with a MS2931 (With some black ooze on it). At first it was running some hours when I got the Blast City but then suddenly I had no picture anymore. Just heard two relay clicking, one by turning it on and another click few seconds after shut down, I suppose this is a kind of protection mechanism which kicks in...?
Anyway I was sending the chassis to a repair guy and he said he fixed it and it should work now. Well, it still don't and I hear the same clicking. So I thought it might be a issue with the yoke and I measured it. But I found different readings online, so I am not sure if my yoke is broken or if the tube is death, or whatever.
My readings are;
Original yoke
Red/Blue 1.7 mH and 0.5 Ohm
Grey/Brown 136.3 mH and 6.8 Ohm
Another yoke I bought reads
Red/Blue 2.5 mH and 0.7 Ohm
Yellow/Green 86.3 mH and 7.4 Ohm
Any ideas which yoke should work? Tube is a A68LBT696X
How can I check if my tube is death? Or should I look on the chassis again?
Thank you very much for any suggestions:)
Anyway I was sending the chassis to a repair guy and he said he fixed it and it should work now. Well, it still don't and I hear the same clicking. So I thought it might be a issue with the yoke and I measured it. But I found different readings online, so I am not sure if my yoke is broken or if the tube is death, or whatever.
My readings are;
Original yoke
Red/Blue 1.7 mH and 0.5 Ohm
Grey/Brown 136.3 mH and 6.8 Ohm
Another yoke I bought reads
Red/Blue 2.5 mH and 0.7 Ohm
Yellow/Green 86.3 mH and 7.4 Ohm
Any ideas which yoke should work? Tube is a A68LBT696X
How can I check if my tube is death? Or should I look on the chassis again?
Thank you very much for any suggestions:)
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Faulty MS293X are known to take out the tube with them. That would be my first guess.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39792
Ask your repair guy what the issue was with your chassis.
As for your yoke readings, neither of them make any sense. I measured mine and I got:
Lh 0.19 mH (red & blue)
Lv 15.1 mH (yellow & green)
Rh 0.5 ohm (red & blue)
Rv 6.8 ohm (yellow & green)
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39792
Ask your repair guy what the issue was with your chassis.
As for your yoke readings, neither of them make any sense. I measured mine and I got:
Lh 0.19 mH (red & blue)
Lv 15.1 mH (yellow & green)
Rh 0.5 ohm (red & blue)
Rv 6.8 ohm (yellow & green)
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
I see, in my case I don't see any neckglow. My Ohm readings are the same as yours...Did I measured the mH correctly?
If my Yoke is really bad the tube might be still fine?
If my Yoke is really bad the tube might be still fine?
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Right, I meant your impedance readings.
Anyway, your yoke is fine based on the resistance. I think your tube might be toast, sorry.
Anyway, your yoke is fine based on the resistance. I think your tube might be toast, sorry.
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
But my mH are pretty different to yours? Are mH not important in this case? And if the chassis is good and the tube death, shouldn't be there any sparking in the neck when I fire it up? Sorry for my noob questions, it's my first time work on arcade monitor
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Sure, but your impedance readings are all over the place. Your resistance readings on the other hand are spot on. So I think your meter isn't really meant for reading yoke impedances.
As for the tube, easiest would be to connect another, known to be working chassis to it. Or connect your existing chassis to a different tube. Or ask around if someone locally has a rejuvenator you could borrow.
As for the tube, easiest would be to connect another, known to be working chassis to it. Or connect your existing chassis to a different tube. Or ask around if someone locally has a rejuvenator you could borrow.
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Try the black lead in the hole with a - near the red one. And set it to 2mH for horizontal and 20mH for vertical.
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Okay, now it looks more or less closer to nem's readings, so this yoke should be good?
Lh 0.20 mH (red & blue)
Lv 16.08 mH (yellow & green)
I have another MS-8 and MS-9 chassis and a A68KJU96X tube (Which I don't want to bust) but no psu to test them.
Is it actually possible to use one those chassis to test the Blast City tube? (It's a A68LBT696X)
I guess the connectors are different and the voltages and yoke specifications as well?
Lh 0.20 mH (red & blue)
Lv 16.08 mH (yellow & green)
I have another MS-8 and MS-9 chassis and a A68KJU96X tube (Which I don't want to bust) but no psu to test them.
Is it actually possible to use one those chassis to test the Blast City tube? (It's a A68LBT696X)
I guess the connectors are different and the voltages and yoke specifications as well?
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Well spotted by @PrincessPrinPrin.
The tubes are compatible, the yokes are not (0.200mH vs. 0.300mH for a MS9). However, they're not that far off that it should result in any damage, so AFAIK you could test the tube with a MS9. If you get any kind of pic, your tube is fine. This said, I've never actually done this.
The tubes are compatible, the yokes are not (0.200mH vs. 0.300mH for a MS9). However, they're not that far off that it should result in any damage, so AFAIK you could test the tube with a MS9. If you get any kind of pic, your tube is fine. This said, I've never actually done this.
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Okay, I got my MS9 in hand now, so you say, I just can exchange those chassis for testing the tube and the yoke for a moment?
Can I just connect the power wire from the Blast City?
Which of those two pins I should use for the horizontal wires, yellow or green?
And the power connector is the same as the one on the MS2931 (Blue circle), can I just plug it in? And whats the far right pin for? (Red circle)
Can I just connect the power wire from the Blast City?
Which of those two pins I should use for the horizontal wires, yellow or green?
And the power connector is the same as the one on the MS2931 (Blue circle), can I just plug it in? And whats the far right pin for? (Red circle)
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Yellow circle is the horizontal yoke connector (red and blue).
Green circle is the connector for the degaussing coil.
Blue is for AC, your power input.
Red is a ground post.
Pictured below, purple is for the vertical yoke connector (yellow & grey).
Godspeed.
Green circle is the connector for the degaussing coil.
Blue is for AC, your power input.
Red is a ground post.
Pictured below, purple is for the vertical yoke connector (yellow & grey).
Godspeed.
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
All right, I tested it out and got a picture with the MS-9 chassis / MS-2931 yoke and the A68LBT696X tube. So it looks like the tube is fine and
my MS-2931 is death. Is there someone in Europe who can repair it? Would a MS-2930 also work on this tube/yoke combination? (I only need 15k)
Or is it even possible to use a MS-9 chassis with a A68LBT696X tube if I use a MS-9 yoke?
my MS-2931 is death. Is there someone in Europe who can repair it? Would a MS-2930 also work on this tube/yoke combination? (I only need 15k)
Or is it even possible to use a MS-9 chassis with a A68LBT696X tube if I use a MS-9 yoke?
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
tecknoservice is spain should be able to fix it, you can find him on facebook
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
I have got it back now and it was working, but after I put it back into the cab it goes into protection mode again.
How do I set the B+ to 180 Volts? If I measure it on the connector the voltages rise up high, the click kicks in and after click the voltage decreases.
How do I set the B+ to 180 Volts? If I measure it on the connector the voltages rise up high, the click kicks in and after click the voltage decreases.
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Re: Another MS2931 struggle...
Does someone know how long this chassis stay in the protection mode after a failed start up?