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Brightness problem MS-2930

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I have a brightness issue with my MS-2930 monitor. Tweaked the rgb, brightness and contrast pods already, but the picture is to dark in the blacks and to bright overall and in the white areas in the same time. Feels like, when warmed up, it's getting better, but still far from good. Does a cap kit help or is something else causing this problem?

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Adjust SCREEN pot on the back of the flyback.
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yea screen pot should sort it, on the flyback with the focus pot.

It could still do with a service, but try the suggestion first.
Get it warmed up where its at its best, and adjust the brightness, contrast to the middle value.
Adjust the screen pot to the desired brightness, and fiddle again with the other pots.
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Ok, thanks guys. I will try it. When I tweaked the cut-offs and brightness, it looked ok. So I didn't touch the screen pot. There is a topic in the wiki and I will follow this. Will post the result.
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I try to get into this crt stuff, cause you f keeping those alive as long as possible. So I came around one other thing. Tried those convergence strips and on one side the deflection coil had more space to put those strips in. The convergence on this side was more off. Can you move the coil to improve convergence too? Didn't found something about this.
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I assume moving the yoke? Moving the yoke will change your purity (back/forward) and rotate the screen itself. The convergence rings on the back of the yoke can be adjusted for convergence with strips.

Moving yoke is for fixing issues like this:
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Ok. But it does not fix Corner conversion, just discoloration?
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Any updates on this? I'm interested too.
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I will adjust the screen pot on Sunday. I won't make it before.
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So, tweaked the screen pot, brightness, cutoffs and gains. The screen pot was nearly good. It is looking much better, but not like my 2931. But I can live with it for now. It's depending on the PCB as well. Mushihimesama looked pretty good, cps-2 not so, it's much brighter. Last solution cap-kit?
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only a couple of caps would affect brightness, the 10uf 250v on the neck card would be a culprit- watch out for those cap kits and certainly do not replace the large orange 4.7uf as it will be most likely the wrong type in the kit

another possibility could be that the chassis has been replaced on this in the past and the resistor for the heater current is wrong value
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Ok thanks Grant, I will check this cap out. When I have all the tools for discharge, I will give it a shot. The geometry on this monitor is crap to i realized yesterday, even with tweaking the pots with pincushion, etc. Pots. Convergence seems to get sorted out by strips, but the tube needs a good clean in the yoke area first. Guess it's getting a project for this summer.
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LarsVegas wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:10 pmLast solution cap-kit?
Your last solution is to rejuvenate the tube. I did it with a Blast tube and got good results out of it.
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With rejuvenate, you mean a new tube?
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No, you use a rejuvenator on your old tube.

https://blog.timowens.io/crt-rejuvination/

May or may not give lasting results.
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Ok, I get it. Looked for one on the internet, but they are hard to come by and I don't think, that the screen is to dim overall. I can boost the colors and brightness, but the overall level is not right. It's more like a contrast thing, where the whites and darks drift away. So you have too bright or too dark.
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grantspain wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:26 am only a couple of caps would affect brightness, the 10uf 250v on the neck card would be a culprit- watch out for those cap kits and certainly do not replace the large orange 4.7uf as it will be most likely the wrong type in the kit

another possibility could be that the chassis has been replaced on this in the past and the resistor for the heater current is wrong value
Could you explain the differences between the large orange 4.7µf cap and ones that come in cap kits? What will the result be if this orange cap is replaced with the incorrect type?
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pretty sure they are high frequency caps, if you use a standard cap you may get a problem- on the weiya if you use a standard to replace a similar one it will blow after a few mins
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It will work with a standard cap and, personally, I haven't noticed any issues. I swapped mine years ago and it's been running fine ever since.

This said, I'm sure there's a reason for the original cap being low impedance. If I were to replace one now, I would look for a proper replacement.
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So Cap Kit ist here. Think I will make it the next week's. As you said grant, some Caps have the wrong value. If the capacity is the same, but the voltage higher no problem, am I right? And that's a lot of caps. Are there some specific ones for geometry or should I replace all? The one on the neckboard will be definitely replaced.
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