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Re: IC: Lindbergh/Noir 2L16B "repro" panels

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January 19th, 2020, 12:22 MP
If @FrancoB says stainless, stainless it'll be. Question: the corner studs have to be very close to the sides, which makes the panel stretch outwards ever so slightly. Stainless help avoid the stretch or i should just abandon the stud idea for this?
They don't look to be insanely close to the edge. There are a lot of factors that could affect affect blow/bulge out. Centerline to edge distance, material thickness/hardness, hole size/form, hole method creation (localised hardening), anvil shape, press pressure etc. A harder grade of self clinch studs are required for stainless as the studs need to be harder than the installation material. That shouldn't be a problem for your fabricators though.

I see you're using 1.5mm sheet which is what I would go for.

Stainless is harder than mild steel which has a double edged effect. It's harder so it's less likely to bulge but it's also more likely to bulge as more force is required to install the self clinch studs.

There's a load of good information on self clinch inserts [here] if you want some bedtime reading.

Centre-line to edge challenges are highlighted on page HB-12 of the manual and there is some information on page HB-11 too. There is a link to a tech sheet but sadly the link is broken.

I would speak to your fab guys ( 8-) ) and mention the bulging. If you are going to go with stainless you could ask them to try doing some bulge tests ( :fastlove: ) on some scrap material to test different pressures etc before committing to the production run.

Edit: I meant to say: I would stick with the self clinch studs if you can get them installed correctly, they give a much nicer finish than welded studs IMO.
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Re: IC: Lindbergh/Noir 2L16B "repro" panels

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Lol nice TL;DR edit.

Have mentioned it and theyre fabbing up another proto in stainless. Fingers crossed. The final run will be a bit cheaper than powdercoated, which is nice.

Vewlix CPs appear to be stainless with self clinch studs, and the same distance to edge on the vertical rather than the horizontal.
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That link suggests a 7.2mm c/l to edge minimum. I have 7.5mm c/l edge. The suggested hole is 4.6 in mild and 4.7 in stainless - ive not marked the specific hole size required.
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Yet thats max hole size, everywhere else says 4mm is fine
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Nice fixed link, downloaded thanks.

It sounds like you're good then C/L>Edge distance wise.

You shouldn't need to specify the hole size, that will be down to the fab place as it will be dependent on their studs as each manufacturer may well have a different hole spec. If you look at the tolerances in those tables you can see they're +0.005"/-0.000" (approx 0.13mm total) so you can see they need to be a fairly accurate hole.

'You' do need to use the correct size hole though, if the hole is too small then there will be extra material in the hole which definitely would make bulging worse.
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Shall see what they say, fingers crossed. Have said its critical!

Perhaps the drawing should just mark the centres for the studs, rather than an indication of a hole?
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I labelled mine with a leader line and eg: 'M4 x 10MM SELF CLINCH STUDS' and left the rest up to them. M4 isn't the hole size/call out.
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I robbed your method :awe:

Think I'm finally, finally done with the overlay. It's been adjusted based on the (now correct, and the evil tape measure binned) measurements, the corner radii are now correct, the black edge is the right thickness (interpreting Sega's misalignment as an error), and I found a good font (Anko) for 1PLAY 2PLAY that needed a couple of adjustments to make it an extremely close match to the original text without needing to trace. UNIVERSAL CABINET is now pure black rather than a cutout, as well as some of the bits of the START text.

Sorted out the dxf for the overlay too (1mm panel edges everywhere, like an original candy overlay).

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Did you put me down for 1?
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Yes, your name is in the first post :)
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Make it 2 going to do a Lindbergh and a Noir!
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Done! (I'm not planning on doing Noir art but if someone wanted to cross my palm with silver I could get it done, you'd need to get it printed yourself though)
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Please put me down for one. It fits perfectly in the Namco noir too. Right?

Noir Design would be interesting too :)
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When you going to the price for everything shipped and when are you going to get them made? You have someone for the overlays?
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hardyhell wrote:
January 20th, 2020, 8:00 MP
Please put me down for one. It fits perfectly in the Namco noir too. Right?

Noir Design would be interesting too :)
Done, yes they're interchangeable :)
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January 20th, 2020, 8:16 MP
When you going to the price for everything shipped and when are you going to get them made? You have someone for the overlays?
Both the panel design and the overlay should now be final so I'm waiting on the trials for both before ordering the full run.
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cools wrote:
January 20th, 2020, 9:02 MP
furl410 wrote:
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When you going to the price for everything shipped and when are you going to get them made? You have someone for the overlays?
Both the panel design and the overlay should now be final so I'm waiting on the trials for both before ordering the full run.
Just MP me the pricing.
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Re: IC: Lindbergh/Noir 2L16B "repro" panels

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Second prototype get. 99.99999% perfect. Pairs up exactly with an original panel...
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But (full disclosure) I had to adjust the corner hole plastics (not the metal part underneath!) on the cab outwards by ~0.5mm. I'll adjust the drawing to bring the studs in.
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Joystick mount is perfect, well done @FrancoB
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@thegreathopper can (or anyone with a Noir) measure the length of the thread on the original studs? The Lindbergh is perfect with 10mm but I'd like to know if the Noir needs them longer for the nuts to mate 100%.
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Re: IC: Lindbergh/Noir 2L16B "repro" panels

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I can measure tomorrow, I have a spare original CP in the shed.

Will post here in the morning.
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