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Boot or Original : Post original/bootleg PCB photos here.

Postby kernow » March 9th, 2009, 6:16 pm

Use this thread to post pictures of original PCB's for future reference, and pictures of bootlegs to avoid - or if you are unsure if a game is bootleg or not, post a picture and hopefully a fellow forum member will be able to advise.

Label Clearly so people can see which is which.

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Bootleg
(photo here)

Hopefully this might grow into a useful resource for anyone that needs to check a PCB in their ownership, or one they are considering buying.

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*Can we try and keep this thread clean and concise, no unrelated discussion, cheers :)

Other links for reference: (if you know other links for reference, let me know)
'boot or not boot' section for MVS carts on neo-geo.com
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Postby kernow » March 9th, 2009, 6:20 pm

Avoid buying blue progears from ebay member 'kryptosid' on ebay UK, they are conversions and sold as original. Considering how rare an original blue progear is, its pretty silly to think they are legit when he's sold about 12 of them now. :)
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Postby jpj » March 9th, 2009, 6:37 pm

progear - cps2 (original)

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Re: Boot or Original : Post original/bootleg PCB photos here.

Postby tetsujin » March 9th, 2009, 7:21 pm

BOOTLEG CPS1 Final Fight:
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This was a CPS1 Final Fight bootleg I had and sold, not sure what the real one looks like exactly but this was a semi boot leg or something??

Just thought i'd put it up here for reference as I only found out it was not original after I sold and sent to France! :(


Also, how do you spot MVS bootlegs?
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Postby kernow » March 9th, 2009, 7:44 pm

tetsujin wrote:Also, how do you spot MVS bootlegs?


1) MVS cart case type not being legitimate I.E a clear Waku Waku 7 or whatever
2) Label looking dodgy

(these two aren't always a solid indicator, as it might be an original boardset inside a replacement case and re-labelled)

3) PCB board(s) are full of eeproms

This is not always an indicator, as some games were officially patched later on using eeproms, Fatal Fury 2 is one example, however it should only be a couple of eeproms and not the whole board.

4) Dodgy hand soldering (this is the main indicator)

Mix and match any of the above, if it ticks all the boxes, its a boot no doubt about it.

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Postby idc » March 9th, 2009, 9:34 pm

It might be worth "pooling" serial numbers of verified original Progears, perhaps we can narrow down the range of original Progears which would make conversions a little more obvious?
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Postby tony starks » March 10th, 2009, 1:19 am

Progear - cps2 (Bootleg)

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Postby DandySephy » March 10th, 2009, 1:30 am

kernow wrote:
tetsujin wrote:Also, how do you spot MVS bootlegs?


1) MVS cart case type not being legitimate I.E a clear Waku Waku 7 or whatever
2) Label looking dodgy

(these two aren't always a solid indicator, as it might be an original boardset inside a replacement case and re-labelled)

3) PCB board(s) are full of eeproms

This is not always an indicator, as some games were officially patched later on using eeproms, Fatal Fury 2 is one example, however it should only be a couple of eeproms and not the whole board.

4) Dodgy hand soldering (this is the main indicator)

Mix and match any of the above, if it ticks all the boxes, its a boot no doubt about it.

;)


On of the best way to check is the "serial" numbers on the chips. Original chips will have the game's ID number printed on them, only a few odd boards will be made up of different chips (Puzzle Bobble for instance uses 2 different sets of chips on the same board). This is especially useful to verify boards which have several eeproms (especially as two original boards of the same game may have different numbers of eeproms). Additionally, not all bootleg boards attempt to look like SNK boards. I have a bootleg MS5 in a clear case that looks nothing like an official board.

Label and case swaps are highly overated "checks". If you are a collector above having a simple "no bootleg" policy, then they are good ways of making sure you have "the best" version, but in general it's a flawed method for detecting bootlegs.
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Postby kernow » March 10th, 2009, 2:01 am

Yes, theres a set colour range for each release, its not entirely random.
As I said you'd never get a clear cased original Waku Waku 7 for example.

And no the list doesn't actually exist except for a few threads discussing it on NG.com , but there is a set range of colours carts do and don't come in.

I just mainly have it comitted to memory and know by looking at a cart if its the wrong colour, well mostly anyway. Some of the newer releases throw me off, one is the orange 02 and matrimelee, both legit however.
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Postby geotrig » March 10th, 2009, 8:11 pm

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pheonixed ALIEN V PRED POSSIBLE BOOT
a phenoixed AVP Board.could also be a boot or conversion :cry:


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PANG 3 BOOT

Boot of pang 3! as boards is supposed to look like a cps1 boards ,I have looked for a while and not seen an original yet
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Postby mastercello » March 10th, 2009, 9:40 pm

Pang!3 - Capcom CPS1 (Original)
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Postby markedkiller78 » March 11th, 2009, 8:28 pm

Here's my phoenix'd SFA3:
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& original Progear :awe:
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Postby wigsplitta » March 14th, 2009, 12:08 am

Streetfighter II Turbo - CPS1

Original - Official credentials easily spotted by the large CAPCOM stamps and chips. Unfortuntley this board has issues. My brother tried to repair it, and I believe he verified that all the chips were good, but the graphics still show glitches :-(
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Bootleg - Bought many years ago with a cab, and was believed to be original. Now it is easy to spot as a fake a mile away....
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Postby MrSporty » March 25th, 2009, 8:31 am

Not wanting to frell up the thread , but im pretty sure that your 09 ROM in that last "original" piccy is inserted the wrong way round.

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Postby JAMMArob » March 27th, 2009, 2:02 pm

Any JAMMA board that lacks a keyed connector should raise a red flag.
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Postby arcader » April 4th, 2009, 5:44 am

Capcom Japanese Original Final Fight 1989 [JAMMA] Motherboard.

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Postby arcader » April 4th, 2009, 5:51 am

Capcom Japanese Original VARTH OPERATION THUNDERSTORM 1992 [JAMMA] Motherboard.

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Postby arcader » April 4th, 2009, 5:59 am

IREM - M92 - Japanese Original - Cross Blades! - BLADE MASTER - 1991 [JAMMA] Motherboard.

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Postby arcader » April 4th, 2009, 6:19 am

Capcom Japanese Original - BLACK DRAGON 1987 [CAPCOM CLASSIC] Motherboard

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Postby arcader » April 4th, 2009, 12:32 pm

Irem M72 Japanese Original - Mr. Heli no Daibouken 1987 [JAMMA] Motherboard
[roms inserted at them moment are from X-Multiply]

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