DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby cools » July 7th, 2010, 8:52 pm

yosai wrote:Tbh, don't really pay much attention to the backdrop after the first couple of seconds.


That must be why I keep dying.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby SuperPang » July 8th, 2010, 12:04 pm

Its almost a shame there are bullets in games like MMP and MF as the backgrounds are gorgeous. :D
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby cools » July 8th, 2010, 12:09 pm

It's a shame there are sound effects in Pink Sweets because the music is pure win.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby yosai » July 8th, 2010, 2:07 pm

It's a shame games like MMP & PS exist. We'd have more great game like DOJ/Ketsui otherwise. ;)
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby kernow » July 8th, 2010, 2:12 pm

yosai wrote:It's a shame games like MMP & PS exist. We'd have more great game like DOJ/Ketsui otherwise. ;)


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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby LoRez » July 8th, 2010, 2:19 pm

yosai wrote:It's a shame games like MMP & PS exist. We'd have more great game like DOJ/Ketsui otherwise. ;)


Perhaps even a Guwange 2 :awe:
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby cools » July 8th, 2010, 2:19 pm

The ships in DOJ are too slow. Far too slow.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby ChurchOfSolipsism » July 12th, 2010, 8:51 pm

cools wrote:The ships in DOJ are too slow. Far too slow.


I'd love to have more smart bombs but the other two types being too slow I always pick the doll that leaves me with only one bomb. The speed of the red ship with that doll is perfect, I'd say, any faster would be wasted on me.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby cRacKh0rN » July 15th, 2010, 7:58 am

ChurchOfSolipsism wrote:
cools wrote:The ships in DOJ are too slow. Far too slow.


I'd love to have more smart bombs but the other two types being too slow I always pick the doll that leaves me with only one bomb. The speed of the red ship with that doll is perfect, I'd say, any faster would be wasted on me.


Yeah, the expert doll is the only way to play. It feels a bit like flying through treacle with the middle laser doll :D
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby kernow » July 15th, 2010, 11:27 am

The dolls don't alter the speed of the ships surely, just the shot/lazer bias.

I thought just choosing a/b type chose the speed of the ship.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby cRacKh0rN » July 15th, 2010, 12:34 pm

kernow wrote:The dolls don't alter the speed of the ships surely, just the shot/lazer bias.

I thought just choosing a/b type chose the speed of the ship.


Expert is a bit for faster for sure.
I would say Shot: Medium, Laser: Slow as hell, Expert: Fastest.
The difference between shot and expert isn't huge but it is there.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby kernow » July 15th, 2010, 12:34 pm

Interesting. I'll have a looksie next time I get to play it :)
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby SuperPang » July 31st, 2010, 3:54 pm

I've had a few credits. It boots with a PGM "for use in China" screen followed by PGM2, IGS, Cave and "Tong Li Animation" logos.

Original mode seems exactly like regular DOJ to me. You'd have to really know the game well to spot any differences. Easy mode is subtle too, it took until the first boss for me to notice anything. There are some reduced bullet patterns, possibly slower bullets and weaker enemies in places too, again you'd need to know every pattern to list them. Its no "Novice" mode thats for sure, subtle changes but I do actually get considerably further in it. It's DOJ for human players and I can see myself enjoying that.

Default dips have the extends at 10 and 30 mill, which as I recall is no change, however default difficulty out of the usual four is "Easy" which leads me to wonder if Easy mode is simply allowing the player to select what the operator could all along. Has anyone fiddled with the difficulty settings on regular DOJ? What changes?

Oh and the board save scores which is nice.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby Akraten » July 31st, 2010, 7:33 pm

very cool
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby emphatic » July 31st, 2010, 10:43 pm

I remember setting Ketsui to Easy once when I borrowed a PCB, and the biggest changes was the lack of bullets when facing the bosses. So that makes sense. At least there's no autobomb then? :awe:
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby Dave_K. » July 31st, 2010, 11:16 pm

SuperPang wrote: Has anyone fiddled with the difficulty settings on regular DOJ? What changes?


Thanks for the quick review SuperPang! I found a video of DOJ Soul on Nico Video, which I assume is Easy mode. The bullets are moving a lot slower than original DOJ even on Easy setting, so there is definitely some more tuning that was done for this new mode. To be honest I don't notice much difference between easy and normal on original DOJ.

I've also been playing a lot of the DOJBLEX port, attempting to unlock X Mode, switching between Original and BL a lot, and found that BL is much easier than Original, even on easy setting! You can see a drastic difference in bullet speed/rank even on the first boss when he fires his radial pattern (its like 1/2 the speed in BL). I can also get much further in BL (probably because extends come faster...and score is generally twice what I normally get). So maybe BL on Easy is closer to DOJ Soul? I'd love to do a side by side comparison.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby buffi » August 1st, 2010, 9:58 am

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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby finnyhaddock » August 1st, 2010, 11:04 am

Is the price at excellent 980usd the cheapeset you can buy this for?
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby SuperPang » August 1st, 2010, 11:54 am

$798 at Legend company. One for the more anal Cave collector though I'd say. You can get a DOJBL for that and BL is still the definitive DOJ, in fact it's the best Pachi in my opinion.
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Re: DDP DOJ on PGM2 - er WTF?

Postby SuperPang » August 1st, 2010, 12:04 pm

Dave_K. wrote: I found a video of DOJ Soul on Nico Video, which I assume is Easy mode. The bullets are moving a lot slower than original DOJ even on Easy setting, so there is definitely some more tuning that was done for this new mode.

Actually that appears to be original mode. The bullets could indeed be slower. Its been quite a few months since I played DOJ and I've played mostly BL since I got that.

The default dip setting has me really confused. I wonder if it refers to Easy, Original or both. Perhaps Original is regular DOJ on Easy?

I need to play this a lot more :palm:

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