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Better MAME Parents
Been thinking of doing this for a while. No idea if it'd ever make it into baseline, but I would love a list of "definitive" versions of arcade game releases. The normal MAME parent set selection (English, final version) is good but there are arguments for alternative criteria (always first release in country of origin, etc), and I don't believe a single criteria fits all - far better to hand pick the better versions.
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Good idea.
I spent quite a while on this and have an amended gamelist somewhere. I considered it a personal taste thing, but I imagine most of us here would probably agree on similar.
It became one of my annoyances with setting up mame. Uncluttered list vs Compete list vs Spending the time setting up the best of both.
I spent quite a while on this and have an amended gamelist somewhere. I considered it a personal taste thing, but I imagine most of us here would probably agree on similar.
It became one of my annoyances with setting up mame. Uncluttered list vs Compete list vs Spending the time setting up the best of both.
That's the thing. Mame suits unbiased consistancy so that's fine, but a hand picked AO dat file would be a nice option.cools wrote:I don't believe a single criteria fits all
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Can I ask why pick that version of 3S over the Japanese version? I can't stand the "translated" versions of SF games.
EDIT: Now with the CPS2 multicart in the horizon, maybe it is time for a proper translation of SSF2X?
EDIT: Now with the CPS2 multicart in the horizon, maybe it is time for a proper translation of SSF2X?
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I got to the last few entries in the starting point and then realised I should be providing evidence for the choice, I'll go back and do URLs for more games at another time.pubjoe wrote:Good idea.
I spent quite a while on this and have an amended gamelist somewhere. I considered it a personal taste thing, but I imagine most of us here would probably agree on similar.
It became one of my annoyances with setting up mame. Uncluttered list vs Compete list vs Spending the time setting up the best of both.
That's the thing. Mame suits unbiased consistancy so that's fine, but a hand picked AO dat file would be a nice option.cools wrote:I don't believe a single criteria fits all
Personal preference, I'll pick an English version if there's no technical reason to choose otherwise. I couldn't find anyone giving a reason that the English was different to play to the Japanese, whereas it's easy to find documentation on the revision differences. If there's a particularly irritating sound sample (Cosmo Gang the Video springs to mind), maybe the other one needs selecting. Reminds me, ssf2xj needs adding.TheRedKnight wrote:Can I ask why pick that version of 3S over the Japanese version? I can't stand the "translated" versions of SF games.
Is there a difference in game/audio etc or is it merely the text?
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Street Fighter 2X I believe I added in addition to Turbo. This is one of the dawning factors of me realising that I'm never going to be happy. With some games it's nice to have a variation box set. ...Actually a frontend script that jumps you to the same position on the full list at the press of a button would make do as a boxset function. It would miss games with completely different region names though.
Speaking of names. The first native release being the parent does make sense. Though a strong argument against it is 'Puck Man'.
Speaking of names. The first native release being the parent does make sense. Though a strong argument against it is 'Puck Man'.
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Origin release is Haze's preference from the looks of it, it's a saner one than the current simply in straightforward software development terms. Makes quite a lot of games broken though.
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The Japanese version of Robocop 2 has an intro level not found in the other builds. And it's actually a quite nice game.
BUT from my experience the translation on every SF game has been atrocious. For example in SSF2X the win quotes are opponent specific, but not in ST. In the Zero series Gouki speaks, but in Alpha he just goes ".................." so you could say that they are two different characters, if the gameplay element is not taken into account. Those are just the two harshest examples. Also, the whole Sheng Long thing.
I know most people don't really care but Capcom USA and SNK USA basically raped the story elements of the games. My personal preference is that I'd rather see Japanese I can't understand than bad grammar and stupidity.
I'm not a fan of 3S so I don't know.cools wrote:Is there a difference in game/audio etc or is it merely the text?
BUT from my experience the translation on every SF game has been atrocious. For example in SSF2X the win quotes are opponent specific, but not in ST. In the Zero series Gouki speaks, but in Alpha he just goes ".................." so you could say that they are two different characters, if the gameplay element is not taken into account. Those are just the two harshest examples. Also, the whole Sheng Long thing.
I know most people don't really care but Capcom USA and SNK USA basically raped the story elements of the games. My personal preference is that I'd rather see Japanese I can't understand than bad grammar and stupidity.
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Robocop 2 is an interesting one, the Japan is a later revision to the export.
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Community translation time ...has this not been started already? It would nicely complement a CPS2 flash cart.TheRedKnight wrote:BUT from my experience the translation on every SF game has been atrocious. For example in SSF2X the win quotes are opponent specific, but not in ST. In the Zero series Gouki speaks, but in Alpha he just goes ".................." so you could say that they are two different characters, if the gameplay element is not taken into account. Those are just the two harshest examples. Also, the whole Sheng Long thing.
I know most people don't really care but Capcom USA and SNK USA basically raped the story elements of the games. My personal preference is that I'd rather see Japanese I can't understand than bad grammar and stupidity.
Now where's that Camdic app?
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The only reason why I decided to get the multicart is just to possibly be able to play a proper translation of SSF2X and other SF games in the future.
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For Donkey Kong I prefer the US version for it's level sequence. Plus it makes me feel like I'm Billy Mitchel.
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Reading The Cutting Room Floor always helps me fall asleep.
This reminds me that there is a list that I was working on and should resume doing so...
This reminds me that there is a list that I was working on and should resume doing so...
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This is a list of notable MAME clone sets from BYOAC:
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Ace Attack ace (orig game) aceattack Actually a Volleyball game, clone of Ace Attacker? (no parent)
Ajax ajax typhoon This version has a different stage order and possible additional level
Bad Dudes vs. Dragonninja baddudes drgninja Japanese version has different background music and different ending
Cabal cabal cabalus Trackball version
Captain America Avengers captaven captavenu US version, not really that different
Combat School combatsc combatsct Trackball version
Cyberball cyberbal cyberbal2p 2 player version
D. D. Crew ddcrew ddcrew2 2 player version
Defend the Terra Attack redufo exodus Slightly improved graphics
DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou ddp3 ddp3blk Black label edition is more playable and allows continues
Donkey Kong II dkong dkongx11 Donkey Kong 2 hack, new levels etc
Eliminator (4 players) elim2 elim4 4 player mode, only 4 player vector game ever made
Galaga galaga galagamf Fast shoot
Gauntlet II gaunt2 gaunt22p 2 player version
Gauntlet gauntlet gauntlet2p 2 player version
Gigas gigandes gigasb Actually a breakout game, clone of gigas? (not listed as parent)
Golden Tee 2000 Tournament gt2k (regular) gt2kt500 Tourney edition, changes?
Ikari III - The Rescue ikari3 ikari3nr Joystick hack
Ikari Warriors ikari ikarijpb Joystick hack
Joust joust joustr Pterodactyl scoring bug
King of Fighters 2005 Anniv kof2002 kf2k5uni Anniversary edition, changed graphics, music, characters
Land Maker landmakr landmakrp English translation
Main Event mainevt mainevt2p 2 player version
Major Havoc mhavoc mhavocrv Return to Vax hack, easier then original, extra levels, minor play changes
Marvel Vs. Capcom: COSH mvsc mvscj Japanese version gives you an extra character
Ms. Pac Man mspacman mspacmnf Speedup hack
NBA Maximum Hangtime nbahangt nbamht1 Updated roster, minor play changes
Night Slasher nslasher nslasherj Japanese version is uncensored - red blood and some different and extended scenes
Pacman puckman pacman Original pacman game
Pacman puckman pacmanf Speedup hack
Peggle peggle pegglet Trackball version
Pirate Pete junglek piratpet Pirate-based version of Jungle Hunt
Qix II Tournament qix qix2 Enhanced version with different colors and bonus features
Rampart rampart rampart2p Joystick version
Robocop 2 robocop2 robocop2j Japanese version has extra playable intro level and extra scene at the end
Salamander (Lifeforce) salamand lifefrcej Enhanced US version (lifefrce) and listed Japanese version have new graphics and improved gameplay
Shadow Warriors (Ninja Gaiden) shadoww gaiden US (gaiden) and Japan (ryukendn) versions have different music and fighting/difficulty diffs
Simpsons simpsons simpsons2p 2 player version
Snow Bros. 3 - Magical Adv snowbros snowbros3 Third in the series, seems to be a clone of the first game
Sunset Riders ssriders ssridersubc 2 player version
Super Bubble Bobble bublbobl sboblboa Super Bubble Bobble, minor changes
Street Fighter II: Hyper Fight sf2hf sf2hfj Turbo version incorporates unofficial hacks and is supposed to be the best in the series
Tempest Tubes tempest temptube Version of Tempest with different shapes
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles tmnt tmnt2po 2 player version
Undercover Cops uccops uccopsar Alpha Renewal version has better graphics and additional character moves
Vendetta vendetta vendetta2p 2 player version. Also Asian versions have bikers and dogs that grab, hump, and lick the player...
Zerowing zerowing zerowing2 2 player version instead of 1
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Playing a hack of KOF2002? Really? No. Just no.
And isn't it Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter where the JP version has an extra character (Norimaru) and not Marvel VS Capcom?
And isn't it Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter where the JP version has an extra character (Norimaru) and not Marvel VS Capcom?
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That's a great help, thanks dgame.
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3rd Strike seems to have escaped being terrible, albeit I've not hammered it a lot - I've checked the basics out and it looks like a straightforward translation. I am tempted to select the USA version rather than the Euro though - from what I gather it's the one that was used for 3rd Strike Online. English stays though unless there's a clear reason for Japanese - the supers/service menu are translated for one.TheRedKnight wrote:I'm not a fan of 3S so I don't know.
BUT from my experience the translation on every SF game has been atrocious. For example in SSF2X the win quotes are opponent specific, but not in ST. In the Zero series Gouki speaks, but in Alpha he just goes ".................." so you could say that they are two different characters, if the gameplay element is not taken into account. Those are just the two harshest examples. Also, the whole Sheng Long thing.
I know most people don't really care but Capcom USA and SNK USA basically raped the story elements of the games. My personal preference is that I'd rather see Japanese I can't understand than bad grammar and stupidity.
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The Japanese version of Rygar, Argus No Senshi (first revision?) has better scoring possibilities in a way (more stars) and a hidden 1UP on stage 14. The English version has more "?" powerups (it can be turned into all sorts of items when hit). The old Japanese rom has a few bugs though, but they are just charming unless you're an operator.
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Yes, although you can enable him in any version: http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic. ... 55#p237555"TheRedKnight wrote:And isn't it Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter where the JP version has an extra character (Norimaru) and not Marvel VS Capcom?